sarav Posted November 19, 2015 Share #21 Posted November 19, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) ... My only gripe is they've really got to work on slimming down the M's and getting rid of the bloat. Reducing the weight is one thing, but getting back to the sleekness of the film M's should be the target. I totally agree and hope to see a sleeker one in the future and an immediate wakeup just pressing release button (so it'd be as fast as the analog M) As regards the announcement I'm very happy and to me Leica is now in the right direction. Amenities in the SL, solid fundamental functions in the M. Very good job Leica!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted November 19, 2015 Posted November 19, 2015 Hi sarav, Take a look here Leica M (Typ 262) - Reduction to Rangefinder Photography (at 1000 € less). I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
edwardkaraa Posted November 19, 2015 Share #22 Posted November 19, 2015 I got one of my M240's for $1000 under new, the other for $1700 under, and although I have never and will never use movie mode I have the button disabled and forget it's there. Live view I admit has its uses, primarily I can now capture small details (extreme close ups) I formerly had to sacrifice while travelling unless I wanted to draga Visoflex with me; plus, I no longer need to carry several accessory finders and switch them to and fro when I'm using 12-15-21 lenses. And the shutters in my M240's are quiet enough that unless the new one was electronic and thus completely silent, it wouldn't be compelling. The weight listed is 600g, vs 680g for the M240. No way an aluminum top plate alone could account for an 80g difference. So either there was some other gutting or replacement of metal parts with plastic one's, or else they listed the 262's weight without battery to make it seem a lot lighter than the 240...wouldn't put it past marketing types to do that sort of thing What would have made such a camera attractive to me is if they left off the LCD and made it as thin and light as an M4. The M60 proved it can be done elegantly. It lost also two buttons (and the pertaining electronics) and the microphone. That must have helped reduce the weight further. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted November 19, 2015 Share #23 Posted November 19, 2015 I wonder how much the new shutter cocking mechanism owes to R&D to eliminate lock-ups - time will tell. I also wonder if we will see both the tweaked models like this and the a la carte approach used earlier in the next M product cycle. Once they've got over the initial box-shifting rush, the new Wetzlar factory and new technology such as machined aluminium rather than cast brass should make it easier to offer a range of models within the same family. Good news for all of us who like some elements but not others of each version. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted November 19, 2015 Share #24 Posted November 19, 2015 What would have made such a camera attractive to me is if they left off the LCD and made it as thin and light as an M4. The M60 proved it can be done elegantly. But the M60 is not as thin and as light as an M4. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jchfriis Posted November 19, 2015 Share #25 Posted November 19, 2015 I just may upgrade from my M8 now. What I don't understand is that no other manufacturer does something like this. Eg. Nikon made the df and screwed it up in my opinion. If they had taken their F3 as a starting point and done something like this I'm sure it would have been a big success. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted November 19, 2015 Share #26 Posted November 19, 2015 The Leica M262 is no successor to the Leica M240 but reduces to the essential, in this case to the rangefinder photography. It is no successor indeed. It is actually a regression. Same thing, same size, cheaper components, crippled firmware to avoid cannibalizing SL sales. The message I read is: "The end of the M". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted November 19, 2015 Share #27 Posted November 19, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) It is no successor indeed. It is actually a regression. Same thing, same size, cheaper components, crippled firmware to avoid cannibalizing SL sales. The message I read is: "The end of the M". In what way, exactly, is the firmware "crippled"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuau Posted November 19, 2015 Share #28 Posted November 19, 2015 I'm confused. Is the new M 262 the same size and weight of the M9 if so I am very interested. I have a M-P 240 which I really like except the added size and weight over the M9 and I never use live view, video and I tried the EVF but hatted it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigben Posted November 19, 2015 Share #29 Posted November 19, 2015 I seldom use the video on the MP240. Live view once or twice. This is a good strategic marketing move by Leica. Release the expensive SL (raise the brand), then a more affordable M (wouldnt call it "entry" level though) within a month of each other...no excuse for those waiting to buy a Leica now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
@McLeica Posted November 19, 2015 Share #30 Posted November 19, 2015 The message I read is: "The end of the M". I don't really see that. To give the M series new life they need to feed in new users to the system and bring the entry level up to date on a single sensor platform. It sits well in the gap between the Q and the M240 and keeps the decision you have to make for the premium as to whether or not you want interchangable lenses or not. I still see Leica's focus on the M lenses and therefore there will still be the development of M cameras to shoot them with. That to me is how it should be and is Leica's USP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 19, 2015 Share #31 Posted November 19, 2015 Well, there we are, what quite a few forum members have been wishing for . An ME successor stripped to the basics. Good move by Leica in the light of other threads. It may well predict a nice full-featured and advanced M240 successor some time ahead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rscheffler Posted November 19, 2015 Share #32 Posted November 19, 2015 It is no successor indeed. It is actually a regression. Same thing, same size, cheaper components, crippled firmware to avoid cannibalizing SL sales. The message I read is: "The end of the M". Lol, you're reading too much into this. It's simply the M-E replacement signaling the final CMOS transition and hinting that the M240's successor won't be too far off (i.e. within the year). I suppose its price will be more attractive once the M240 is replaced and street prices for the replacement are at full retail. Currently though it shouldn't be too difficult to find new/demo M240s for this much, or less. So I don't really see much point to the 262 unless one wants the 'pure' non-live view/video design. Speaking of design, it's an interesting mishmash of M9, M240 and M240P cues. Having owned an M240 now for nearly two years, for my needs live view has been very useful as a replacement to the inaccurate external UWA viewfinders, and occasional longer than 90 tele work. Lets me do more with an M kit and often leave the DSLR at home. Therefore I await the M240 replacement and if it doesn't interest me, then at least M240Ps should be easier to find at reasonable prices if I feel I want another M... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert blu Posted November 19, 2015 Share #33 Posted November 19, 2015 Interesting move from Leica. Now I'm even more ...confused...Not shooting long lenses and only occasionally a 21 with OVF missing the live view should not be a great problem ( I understand the LV could be more exact). Or am I wrong? As Ron says pre owned M240 can be found at reduced price (around 4K EUR) but they are not new...hmmm some thinking is necessary... robert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 19, 2015 Share #34 Posted November 19, 2015 The weight listed is 600g, vs 680g for the M240. No way an aluminum top plate alone could account for an 80g difference. Don't be so sure. That brass plate is HEAVY. When I get home I'll weigh it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
squarenegs Posted November 19, 2015 Share #35 Posted November 19, 2015 I own a 240, bought used. But a new 262 would have been my first choice, had it been available back then. Like most posting here, I have seldom bothered with live view and only ever shot video by accident. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted November 19, 2015 Share #36 Posted November 19, 2015 The message I read is: "The end of the M". I read it far differently....this addresses the more 'traditionalist' crowd....I think a future M will play to those more in the 'innovative' camp.....as rumored patents may suggest. The M is part of the core of Leica. I don't see that changing. Seems a smart move to provide choices and maintain different price points (as did the M-E). Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted November 19, 2015 Share #37 Posted November 19, 2015 A lower priced Leica should always be welcomed! This must surely be a sign of an impending new flagship M model - release a new version of an existing model at a lower price point to generate new interest/sales - it's hardly unusual as product cycles and sales tactics go. I also expect the M-E will quietly disappear now, and given the sensor issues and need for the new replacement sensors it makes more sense for Leica to replace it with a similar model based on the latest M. Good all round! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted November 19, 2015 Share #38 Posted November 19, 2015 I would be very happy to get rid of 80g of weight on my 240. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 19, 2015 Share #39 Posted November 19, 2015 CheshireCat, on 19 Nov 2015 - 16:43, said:The message I read is: "The end of the M". California seems to be a wonderland indeed... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeicaFFM Posted November 19, 2015 Share #40 Posted November 19, 2015 A lower priced Leica should always be welcomed! This must surely be a sign of an impending new flagship M model - release a new version of an existing model at a lower price point to generate new interest/sales - it's hardly unusual as product cycles and sales tactics go. I also expect the M-E will quietly disappear now, and given the sensor issues and need for the new replacement sensors it makes more sense for Leica to replace it with a similar model based on the latest M. Good all round! The M-E already disappeared from the Leica website. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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