pop Posted October 12, 2016 Share #241 Posted October 12, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) If you go to your profile (meerec at the top right of the page), click the little down arrow, select "Manage Ignore List", add adamdewilde and anyone else who annoys you - you then never be bothered by them again! ... unless someone quotes them, alas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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meerec Posted October 12, 2016 Share #242 Posted October 12, 2016 Good tip, I wasn't aware of this. Done!! If you go to your profile (meerec at the top right of the page), click the little down arrow, select "Manage Ignore List", add adamdewilde and anyone else who annoys you - you then never be bothered by them again! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted October 12, 2016 Share #243 Posted October 12, 2016 Well, some of us are more discerning than others... Run along little sheep, nothing for you here it seems. Well, I failed to notice this one in time. If it's meant to be funny, it backfired. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamdewilde Posted October 12, 2016 Share #244 Posted October 12, 2016 Well, I failed to notice this one in time. If it's meant to be funny, it backfired. It was not meant to be funny. If you want to discuss lenses, you have to discuss the good and the bad. I'm trying to take the time to write my post as technical as I can get it while still being practical. So that way there is very little subjectivity lessening the blowback from sheep. I'm doing this for those who are curious, since Leica puts out very little information themselves other then saying it's "a reference lens". If some of you don't want insights into the lens, and are willing to wait 3 more months to buy it blindly without reading reviews, then that's fine with me. But why bother posting comments like he did? If someone wants to antagonise me, then I'll fight back. Also if people want to blindly sing praises about an item, I can equally prove them wrong since I've owned everything and have HDDs full of tests, I have a pretty good handle on technical and practical aspects of gear. And if you want to block me. Go ahead! I'm fine with that, I'm trying to get this review up for people who are curious about the lens. Again I am trying to make it as practically technical as possible so that way you can make your own mind up if you want to pre-order it or not. And sorry if I cannot cater the review to everyones shooting style, I don't have much time this week, and I'm gone next week on a 3 month long work trip. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
almoore Posted October 12, 2016 Share #245 Posted October 12, 2016 write my post as technical as I can get it...that way there is very little subjectivity lessening the blowback from sheep...If someone wants to antagonise me, then I'll fight back. Also if people want to blindly sing praises about an item, I can equally prove them wrong since I've owned everything and have HDDs full of tests This is the Leica forum at its weirdest. Why would anybody want to 'fight' over something as trivial as a lens or boast that they've 'owned everything'? Can there really be any doubt that a modern Leica 50mm lens the size of a house bucket will perform well? It seems absurdly oversized and unattractive to me (just like the equally bloated Zeiss Otus lenses), but it will undoubtedly be optically excellent, just like every other Leica lens of the last few decades. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted October 12, 2016 Share #246 Posted October 12, 2016 It was not meant to be funny. If you want to discuss lenses, you have to discuss the good and the bad. I'm trying to take the time to write my post as technical as I can get it while still being practical. So that way there is very little subjectivity lessening the blowback from sheep. I'm doing this for those who are curious, since Leica puts out very little information themselves other then saying it's "a reference lens". If some of you don't want insights into the lens, and are willing to wait 3 more months to buy it blindly without reading reviews, then that's fine with me. But why bother posting comments like he did? If someone wants to antagonise me, then I'll fight back. Also if people want to blindly sing praises about an item, I can equally prove them wrong since I've owned everything and have HDDs full of tests, I have a pretty good handle on technical and practical aspects of gear. And if you want to block me. Go ahead! I'm fine with that, I'm trying to get this review up for people who are curious about the lens. Again I am trying to make it as practically technical as possible so that way you can make your own mind up if you want to pre-order it or not. And sorry if I cannot cater the review to everyones shooting style, I don't have much time this week, and I'm gone next week on a 3 month long work trip. I am somewhat curious as to: a. How you have access to a final production model lens..... which it needs to be to make a valid test. b. Why none of the regular testers have produced any sample images from lenses they are currently testing for Leica. c. If it is a pre-production model how you have circumvented the usual Leica NDA agreement. d. How a lens has managed to migrate to the US when there are no signs of any, anywhere, in Europe...... even Sean Reid only had a pre-production lens to play with at Photokina for half an hour..... e. Leica have yet to issue any image proofs, suggesting any lenses are still not finalised and usually embargo images till this takes place unless permission is granted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted October 12, 2016 Share #247 Posted October 12, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'm doing this for those who are curious Is it disrespectful of me not to be waiting on tenterhooks for your forthcoming "review"? Partly because I have no idea who you are but mainly because a new 50mm "reference" lens just isn't very interesting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD_50 Posted October 12, 2016 Share #248 Posted October 12, 2016 Please don't turn this forum into back and forth personal notes that tend to be off-topic. Some go to forums to boast or antagonize. Some go to forums to put down the gear choices others make. Some go to forums to defend the gear choices they make. Some go to forums to air their grievances with a manufacturer. Etc etc etc It's easy enough to ignore posts you don't like or that may prompt a personal argument. User reports for lenses and cameras are bound to be polarizing because we all have different needs, wants, value judgements, and quality standards. There's no reason to question the user's motivation or truthfulness in either a positive or negative review. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrp Posted October 12, 2016 Share #249 Posted October 12, 2016 ... I'm doing this for those who are curious, We're all curious. You seem to be the first person to claim to own a lens which has not yet been released, have offered to post some sample images, but have yet to do so. If you spent less time arguing the toss and more on completing your promised review, we'd all be very pleased. PS: Where is your existing blog? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
svenjosh Posted October 12, 2016 Share #250 Posted October 12, 2016 It was not meant to be funny. If you want to discuss lenses, you have to discuss the good and the bad. I'm trying to take the time to write my post as technical as I can get it while still being practical. So that way there is very little subjectivity lessening the blowback from sheep. I'm doing this for those who are curious, since Leica puts out very little information themselves other then saying it's "a reference lens". If some of you don't want insights into the lens, and are willing to wait 3 more months to buy it blindly without reading reviews, then that's fine with me. But why bother posting comments like he did? If someone wants to antagonise me, then I'll fight back. Also if people want to blindly sing praises about an item, I can equally prove them wrong since I've owned everything and have HDDs full of tests, I have a pretty good handle on technical and practical aspects of gear. And if you want to block me. Go ahead! I'm fine with that, I'm trying to get this review up for people who are curious about the lens. Again I am trying to make it as practically technical as possible so that way you can make your own mind up if you want to pre-order it or not. And sorry if I cannot cater the review to everyones shooting style, I don't have much time this week, and I'm gone next week on a 3 month long work trip. Adam, There is no problem discussing the negatives of a camera or lens. You dont like the SL, we get it. Its also perfectly fine for someone to not like a product. But what is not fine is spreading disinformation about a product. You repeatedly stated in another forum (in your own rude fashion to everyone who responded to you) that the sensor in Leica SL was made by Sony and the same as the one in A7 despite many providing evidence otherwise. You have stated so much false information about the SL in various forums, its mind boggling. If anyone does a google search of your name and Leica SL, it becomes clear how much you dislike this camera. Now you claim to have an unreleased lens and want to give opinions about it in your own rude fashion. Not sure what to make of it.... Sven Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamdewilde Posted October 12, 2016 Share #251 Posted October 12, 2016 We're all curious. You seem to be the first person to claim to own a lens which has not yet been released, have offered to post some sample images, but have yet to do so. If you spent less time arguing the toss and more on completing your promised review, we'd all be very pleased. PS: Where is your existing blog? I don't own it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamdewilde Posted October 12, 2016 Share #252 Posted October 12, 2016 Adam, There is no problem discussing the negatives of a camera or lens. You dont like the SL, we get it. Its also perfectly fine for someone to not like a product. But what is not fine is spreading disinformation about a product. You repeatedly stated in another forum (in your own rude fashion to everyone who responded to you) that the sensor in Leica SL was made by Sony and the same as the one in A7 despite many providing evidence otherwise. You have stated so much false information about the SL in various forums, its mind boggling. If anyone does a google search of your name and Leica SL, it becomes clear how much you dislike this camera. Now you claim to have an unreleased lens and want to give opinions about it in your own rude fashion. Not sure what to make of it.... Sven I ran tests, and the first version of the SL firmware gave exactly the same colors as the A7II when both had 50APOs attached. I claimed it was my suspicion that the sensor was the same. I don't have any inside information on this, I don't work for Leica. Do I like the SL sensor... No, not at all. I also don't think you would like the camera if you pre-ordered it under the guise that the pricing was going to be fixed across the board. And then found out that you paid $5,000 USD more then you should have. To then have the CEO tell you that people who buy Leica know the value of the brand and don't complain about pricing issues. On top of the fact that the camera is really over-hyped by a lot of people.. I mean it's really not that great of a camera. Really it isn't. But whatever, I'm over that already. In fact, lately Leica Singapore has been on the ball.. Fixed my 100S AF issue in two weeks-ish. And are trying to make things right. This still doesn't put the 50SL on Otus level. But please wait for my write up before jumping to conclusions. You haven't even seen samples yet and you haven't read my thoughts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamdewilde Posted October 12, 2016 Share #253 Posted October 12, 2016 Is it disrespectful of me not to be waiting on tenterhooks for your forthcoming "review"? Partly because I have no idea who you are but mainly because a new 50mm "reference" lens just isn't very interesting. I really like the 50APO, so to me this was interesting. TBH I think the 35/75 would be more useful for the way I shoot. As @ weddings/events I use to use a M+35FLE and M+75APO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted October 12, 2016 Share #254 Posted October 12, 2016 It was not meant to be funny. PM sent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted October 12, 2016 Share #255 Posted October 12, 2016 I find your posts most of the time rude and even aggressive. Hardly adding any value to be honest. Maybe it's just my perception but it's the way it is for me, Adam. If you guys have any personal issues, take them somewhere else, outside the forum. Where is the moderator???In Malawi, thankfully. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted October 12, 2016 Share #256 Posted October 12, 2016 I haven't conducted any "tests"; why would I? Other people's tests are fundamentally boring as batshit and I normally skip to the conclusion and see if there's anything of interest (usually there isn't) - the fruit and vege man and DxO being cases in point. I'm usually far more interested in what Jono has to say (dreadful man has cost me a fortune). In practical terms, the Monochrom turned out to be even better than I had hoped. Leica kindly lent me one, and it blew me away. The CMOSIS sensor in the M60 (once the white balance and other processing issues were sorted) was a step up from the M9, and the SL is a slight step up again. I simply love what this camera produces, SL lenses or M lenses - it is a fantastic camera. However, while the SL lenses are no bigger (in pactical terms) than what I've used in the past with SLRs (check out the AF-S Nikkor 80-400 zoom) and they're well balanced on the SL, together it is huge (coming from the M system). If I want small, and I frequently do, it's the M I grab, or I put an M lens on the SL. The choice is simple - colour, I take the SL (with either SL or M lens); B&W, I take the Monochrom or a film M; and for one lens, colour I take the M60. Too much choice, I know, but the choices Leica has given me are just fabulous. So, when Leica says it is producing a reference 50, for the SL, with AF and westhersealing, I sit up and take notice. I already use the Noctilux on the SL (a fantastic combination) and the lens is compact and well balanced. Leica knows a thing or two about designing and making good lenses in my experience, so I expect this to be seriously good; but it is big. Perhaps nicely balanced on the SL, but compared to the Noctilux, it's big. That is my context. I tend to listen to Leica to understand the thinking behind their products, and how to get the best from them. I don't believe I will buy this lens as I have enough 50s and I don't think I have a use for it. But I am very interested to see what a no compromise 50, made for the SL will look like. When the lens is finally ready, I will read Jono's experience with the lens with a great deal of interest, and I may even read the last paragraph of Sean's review. I will also be very interested in user experiences here. Strong opinions here, before the lens is ready, based on not much (and apparently a lot that's just wrong) ... not so much. But that's the great thing about forums, you can skip over or ignore the noise, and generally the signal to noise ratio here is very good, provided those who actually have something to say don't get pissed off with the noise and go elsewhere. Cheers John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted October 12, 2016 Share #257 Posted October 12, 2016 I have found other's test data only so much useful to me. Unless they are established equipment testers, I have no idea what is their methodology. For all I know, the methodology could be flawed making the conclusion totally useless. Even if they are established testers with consistent methodology, their goals/criteria may not be the same as mine. For example, I have found some lenses easier to focus by focus peeking on M240, or some are much easier to shoot handheld just because it balances so well in my hands. This is why I rely on my own tests to decide what to keep and what to discard. Of course, you can't buy/rent everything to test and you have time constraints. This is where there is some value in listening to what other's are saying. And when there is no intention to own the equipment (as in this case for 50lux), it only has entertainment purposes to me. Let him write a blog. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Branch Posted October 12, 2016 Share #258 Posted October 12, 2016 E. Puts stated some months ago, I paraphrase, there is little point in testing the performance of current Leica lenses. They are all so good that only the most superlative technique under laboratory conditions will reveal differences. In practice such differences as are detected are of little or no practical consequence. I have found this to be an accurate statement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted October 12, 2016 Share #259 Posted October 12, 2016 E. Puts stated some months ago, I paraphrase, there is little point in testing the performance of current Leica lenses. They are all so good that only the most superlative technique under laboratory conditions will reveal differences. In practice such differences as are detected are of little or no practical consequence. I have found this to be an accurate statement. +1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZHNL Posted October 12, 2016 Share #260 Posted October 12, 2016 So what is the point to this thread if it not allowed to other post opinion or test results or not care whatever others' test, opinion??? What are we looking for since Leica lens are all so great? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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