LocalHero1953 Posted November 22, 2015 Share #141 Posted November 22, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'll be waiting for the dedicated R adapter. I might try a short stack of adapters as a demo opportunity. If not for a sales/marketing reason, what other plausible reason is there for the R adapter not being ready? Well, as a marketing ploy, it's failed. I have just the body on order. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LocalHero1953 Posted November 22, 2015 Share #142 Posted November 22, 2015 I'm still keen for thoughts on my other questions above, copied below: - Yesterday I was using my R8 with DMR and an APO-Telyt-R f4/400 modular. The small birds I was shooting were splashing around in a puddle; about as uncooperative as can be imagined. I really do wonder how the SL's viewfinder, with latency (detectable? spec in milliseconds?) and freezing or blacking out (which? spec in milliseconds? SD card dependent?), as well as resolution, will be useable. - Is the resolution of the SL viewfinder more or less grainy than a ground glass focussing screen in an R8? About 10% of the bird photos I took yesterday are well focussed. Imagine trying to focus on the eye of a 2 inch tall bird that doesn't stay still for more than half a second. Sheesh! I suspect the only person who came convince you one way or another is you. You need to find one and test it out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted November 22, 2015 Share #143 Posted November 22, 2015 I'll be waiting for the dedicated R adapter. I might try a short stack of adapters as a demo opportunity. If not for a sales/marketing reason, what other plausible reason is there for the R adapter not being ready? I'm still keen for thoughts on my other questions above, copied below: - Yesterday I was using my R8 with DMR and an APO-Telyt-R f4/400 modular. The small birds I was shooting were splashing around in a puddle; about as uncooperative as can be imagined. I really do wonder how the SL's viewfinder, with latency (detectable? spec in milliseconds?) and freezing or blacking out (which? spec in milliseconds? SD card dependent?), as well as resolution, will be useable. - Is the resolution of the SL viewfinder more or less grainy than a ground glass focussing screen in an R8? About 10% of the bird photos I took yesterday are well focussed. Imagine trying to focus on the eye of a 2 inch tall bird that doesn't stay still for more than half a second. Sheesh! I can think of several possible reasons but deliberate non-supply does not figure in them. Possible reasons could include lack of both design and manufacturing resources - in the broadest sense. But we will never know for sure unless Leica makes a statement. dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted November 22, 2015 Share #144 Posted November 22, 2015 Surely, the simple answer is that in the order of production, getting the body right, the lens right, fine tuning the firmware and getting production and quality testing underway, the production of adapters is low priority. Leica will want the camera to market, and production up and running. The adapters will come. Sometimes it's just practicality, rather than conspiracy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick_dykstra Posted November 22, 2015 Share #145 Posted November 22, 2015 Well, as a marketing ploy, it's failed. I have just the body on order.I think Leica will see your order as a success. They would prefer that you also ordered the 28-90. I think it would be very tempting. I plan to try an SL at the earliest opportunity. Has anyone seen them in 'Straya' yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted November 22, 2015 Share #146 Posted November 22, 2015 I think Leica will see your order as a success. Why? You wrote "Leica wants its many users out there with R lenses to start their SL experience with a shiny new SL lens, with autofocus." I'm not doing that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 22, 2015 Share #147 Posted November 22, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Leica wants its many users out there with R lenses to start their SL experience with a shiny new SL lens, with autofocus. If the R to SL adapter was available from the start most R owners would buy the body only and be thrilled by having their cherished R lenses back in the game. The R adapter will be released when sales of SL bodies falls below a factor of manufacturing capacity. [...] Why do you say this? Both M and R lenses can be used right now on the SL601... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted November 22, 2015 Share #148 Posted November 22, 2015 I'll be waiting for the dedicated R adapter. I might try a short stack of adapters as a demo opportunity. If not for a sales/marketing reason, what other plausible reason is there for the R adapter not being ready? I'm still keen for thoughts on my other questions above, copied below: - Yesterday I was using my R8 with DMR and an APO-Telyt-R f4/400 modular. The small birds I was shooting were splashing around in a puddle; about as uncooperative as can be imagined. I really do wonder how the SL's viewfinder, with latency (detectable? spec in milliseconds?) and freezing or blacking out (which? spec in milliseconds? SD card dependent?), as well as resolution, will be useable. - Is the resolution of the SL viewfinder more or less grainy than a ground glass focussing screen in an R8? About 10% of the bird photos I took yesterday are well focussed. Imagine trying to focus on the eye of a 2 inch tall bird that doesn't stay still for more than half a second. Sheesh! Hi Rick I wonder whether the late arrival of the R adapter was really as well thought out as that . . . I suspect that Leica were thinking so hard about the new camera that they didn't spend a great deal of time thinking about R lenses. Still, the stacked adapters allow you to pick the correct profile for the R lens - and it will be properly applied - it's only two clicks on the back to get what you want, and then the support will be just the same as with the dedicated adapter. More to the point I'll answer your questions. Latency - really undetectable - I watched someone blink in the EVF today whilst I was pressing the shutter . . . . I caught the blink. Blackout - similar to the R8 (ie almost undetectable). Freezing - no Resolution of the viewfinder compared to the R8 - equivalent in really good light . . . . better and better as the light reduces. With your scenario, I'd expect to get at least 20% properly focused. (I've been shooting with an R8 recently - lovely camera ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted November 22, 2015 Share #149 Posted November 22, 2015 Surely, the simple answer is that in the order of production, getting the body right, the lens right, fine tuning the firmware and getting production and quality testing underway, the production of adapters is low priority. Leica will want the camera to market, and production up and running. The adapters will come. Sometimes it's just practicality, rather than conspiracy. Especially as both M and R lenses really are well supported with existing adapters. Also I suspect they'll be hard put to it to keep up with demand over the next few months, and spreading their resources to get more orders (and a longer waiting list) probably isn't the best answer . . . there's already a waiting list for both the Q and the MM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick_dykstra Posted November 22, 2015 Share #150 Posted November 22, 2015 Hi Rick I wonder whether the late arrival of the R adapter was really as well thought out as that . . . I suspect that Leica were thinking so hard about the new camera that they didn't spend a great deal of time thinking about R lenses. Still, the stacked adapters allow you to pick the correct profile for the R lens - and it will be properly applied - it's only two clicks on the back to get what you want, and then the support will be just the same as with the dedicated adapter. More to the point I'll answer your questions. Latency - really undetectable - I watched someone blink in the EVF today whilst I was pressing the shutter . . . . I caught the blink. Blackout - similar to the R8 (ie almost undetectable). Freezing - no Resolution of the viewfinder compared to the R8 - equivalent in really good light . . . . better and better as the light reduces. With your scenario, I'd expect to get at least 20% properly focused. (I've been shooting with an R8 recently - lovely camera ) Thanks Jono. Very helpful answers. Particularly the viewfinder being easier to use in lower light. I think the key for me getting more of the splashing little birds in focus will be to machine gun them at 11 rounds a second! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted November 22, 2015 Share #151 Posted November 22, 2015 It seems reasonable that Leica would want it's R lens owners to buy and try the new SL lenses. There's little doubt they'd enjoy them. Offering an adapter that hurts profitability is not good business sense, until it becomes good business sense when fresh sales can be driven by reaching the R die-hards. My original order was for just the body since I have more than enough R and M lenses to cover my needs. But I realized that it would be best to have one, versatile, dedicated lens that can exercise all the body's functions and capabilities, so I added the 24-90 to my order. Expensive, yes. Use it often, no. But it seemed a good thing to have for when it's useful. With th respect to the viewfinder, it's very very responsive, as is the whole camera. It's as fast to use—focus, set exposure, frame, and shoot—if not faster than my R8 with motor or Nikon F6. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted November 22, 2015 Share #152 Posted November 22, 2015 Thanks Jono. Very helpful answers. Particularly the viewfinder being easier to use in lower light. I think the key for me getting more of the splashing little birds in focus will be to machine gun them at 11 rounds a second! Oooh - I wouldn't I remember a really succesful sports photographer saying that he never machine-gunned his pictures, because his reactions were better than 1/10th second . . . But with a bit of practice I think you'll do a better job with the SL than with the R8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted November 22, 2015 Share #153 Posted November 22, 2015 Well, as a marketing ploy, it's failed. I have just the body on order. You're lucky we have nice dealers in the UK, as I understand from some friends in Hong Kong, that some dealers there, will not sell an SL body without the 24-90 lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick_dykstra Posted November 22, 2015 Share #154 Posted November 22, 2015 Oooh - I wouldn't I remember a really succesful sports photographer saying that he never machine-gunned his pictures, because his reactions were better than 1/10th second . . . But with a bit of practice I think you'll do a better job with the SL than with the R8 I know what that sports photog was on about. I did the same in my soccer days. Central sensor to pick up the player, let the Nikon magic keep 'em in focus, compose, one shot timed for the best image. Got a 15 year old girl, in the air with a corner kick, ball has glanced of her head and is swishing past the goalie's outstretched arms, heading into the net. Other players in the air around her for decoration. It was a once in a lifetime shot for her but I still have the print in a box. She didn't like the expression on her face. Shooting sport is a doddle compared to the little splashing birds. I'm gonna try some MG-42 like bursts on the little monsters, focus and composition bracketing. Yesterday I had to remind myself to breath I was concentrating so hard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted November 23, 2015 Share #155 Posted November 23, 2015 Thanks Jono. Very helpful answers. Particularly the viewfinder being easier to use in lower light. I think the key for me getting more of the splashing little birds in focus will be to machine gun them at 11 rounds a second! Poor birds. scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick_dykstra Posted November 23, 2015 Share #156 Posted November 23, 2015 Poor birds. scott Lucky birds! They line up to have their pictures taken by a Leica! It's quite amazing how they come through in batches, with other species following on, joining in the fun. Some days it feels like they're watching, waiting for me to add water to the natural rock puddle I've found. There's been times they start splashing before I've got the camera and flash all set up. Sneaky birds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rscheffler Posted December 2, 2015 Share #157 Posted December 2, 2015 So, were the answers to the questions posted somewhere else?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
profus Posted December 2, 2015 Share #158 Posted December 2, 2015 I have a question regarding manual focus with M lenses. Please notice that I didn't have a chance to hold SL in my hands yet...Jono Slack in his great SL review says: "However, Leica have listened to their customers, and with focus peaking and moveable zoom magnification the SL has all the focus assistance anyone could require" However - the SL manual reads: "Manual focusing assistants To make it easier to achieve precise settings or to increase the precision of a setting, the Leica SL offers two features: –The enlarged display of a middle section..." My question is if this magnification really is movable or only applied to a middle section - in which case re-composition is required in pretty much same fashion as with M camera? Thank you very much! Alex Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted December 2, 2015 Share #159 Posted December 2, 2015 I have a question regarding manual focus with M lenses. Please notice that I didn't have a chance to hold SL in my hands yet... ... My question is if this magnification really is movable or only applied to a middle section - in which case re-composition is required in pretty much same fashion as with M camera?... The magnified section is movable. You can lock in framing with a stand or tripod and then pilot around the screen to pick a point to set your focus on very easily. The instruction manual has many small but annoying inaccuracies. Don't consider it dogma; it's just a (somewhat flawed) working reference for the camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgktkr Posted December 2, 2015 Share #160 Posted December 2, 2015 I've got questions for Leica (or anyone else who knows the answer): what is the rated life of the small backup battery that is built into the body? What technology is it based on? I presume the camera needs to be sent in for service to replace it when it dies. dgktkr Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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