Paulus Posted July 19, 2016 Author Share #841 Posted July 19, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) The Monochom M in silver already exists. It's called " a la carte". Wauw, I got the notice from Leica about the Monochro " a la carte " an hour before your writing! They must be reading this thread and laughing themselves to pieces. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Paulus Posted July 19, 2016 Author Share #842 Posted July 19, 2016 the one thing I would want is a little lighter and slimmer. The rest is fine for me with the M type 240 allready. So take you time Leica. When I bought my first M ( 6 ) I was so glad, that it was heavy, solid and just and slimmer than my Nikon F 4. Watches got bigger and cameras got slimmer and smaller. Is this the never ending discussion, that the M 240 is so much fatter, than the M6/MP/M7 or that the M9 was far more fatter than the M6/MP/M7. Are we talking aboute mm, or are comparing with those beautiful ( ... ) made Sony cameras? There's no "competition" against todays " fashion" but Leica M was never about fashion?? It was what it was and fashion just crawled around her... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted July 19, 2016 Author Share #843 Posted July 19, 2016 QUESTION - if you knew you were never being able to upgrade the M240s, what solution would you choose to add flexibility to the kit. Keep a DSLR for the odd occassion when you need long or zoom? Opt for micro 2/3 for tele lenses? Go in the Sony direction? Stick with the SL (maybe with adaptors for Canon lenses - I do find the cost and weight of the SL lenses really intimidating...). Interested to hear your thoughts. As ever... The times were so easy in the days of film. Just two M6-es + 1 F4 Nikon and a 300mm lens. Could do everything I want with that. In fact, it did not really change. MP+ M240 + Nikon D3 with the same 300mm lens. Maybe I'll upgrade the Nikon to a D5 in a few years. Maybe I''l upgrade the M 240 to a M 367 in a few years, but things do really stay the same don't they? But maybe brand loyalty is something oldfashioned? So be it... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted July 19, 2016 Share #844 Posted July 19, 2016 It doesn’t really matter how old the M (Typ 240) is or when some anniversary is due. This question is whether Leica will introduce a new M at photokina. The next issue of LFI (after the issue we have finished a week ago) is the photokina issue and does it look like I’m busy? I don’t think so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted July 19, 2016 Author Share #845 Posted July 19, 2016 It doesn’t really matter how old the M (Typ 240) is or when some anniversary is due. This question is whether Leica will introduce a new M at photokina. The next issue of LFI (after the issue we have finished a week ago) is the photokina issue and does it look like I’m busy? I don’t think so. Alas, I might recall a moment in time, that you were writing here, but at the same time testing/writing about a new body. It seemed that time , at least to me, that you did not knew a new body was coming at the time. Now it's a little foggy to me if I can do anything with this current statement? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 19, 2016 Share #846 Posted July 19, 2016 Suffice it to show them if you've kept an M8 or M9. Next time i did a comparo between my M8.2's and M240's baseplates the latter's looked significantly fatter but i have not my M8.2 with me here so i cannot show the baseplates side by side sorry. If I tell you three times it is true... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/252591-new-leica-m-in-september-2016-the-speculations/?do=findComment&comment=3081368'>More sharing options...
Alberti Posted July 19, 2016 Share #847 Posted July 19, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) http://leicarumors.com/2016/07/18/leica-rumored-to-announce-a-new-line-of-m-cinema-lenses.aspx/ I have seen a mock-up of a high grade video-chip, if I understand made by the CMOSIS manufacturer, earlier this year, intended for a M-line camera. It looks as if these rumors now merge: a new professional body that surpasses all SLR-based video camera's together with a line of cinema lenses that is finalized now. For lovers of real bokeh , these can be used on an M240 via an already available cine- adapter. I don't think it is a game changer. It is a different market where there evidently is a lot of potential to sell lenses (the movie business?). my 2¢ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted July 19, 2016 Share #848 Posted July 19, 2016 Alas, I might recall a moment in time, that you were writing here, but at the same time testing/writing about a new body. It seemed that time , at least to me, that you did not knew a new body was coming at the time. Now it's a little foggy to me if I can do anything with this current statement? When I know about some new model that is still under wraps then for obvious reasons I cannot confirm that being the case. For equally obvious reasons I wouldn’t deny it either. But when I have no information about a hypothetical new model I am free to say so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted July 19, 2016 Share #849 Posted July 19, 2016 Hi Peter and John I hope you're well. Surely if Leica adopts a clean sheet of paper then it's a new camera (Why call it an M even) - there's no need to throw out the baby with the bath water! As for the concept of the hybrid viewfinder, doesn't it require information from the lens to work properly? Which would be tricky with existing M lenses, so it'd need a new lens mount and new lenses (I'd guess) in which case it wouldn't really be an M! The Leica M8 was announced in September 2006, so I'd say any time from September 2016 until September 2017 would be on the 10th year anniversary. The M240 was announced in September 2012, but it didn't ship until the spring of 2013 - so it's only a bit more than 3 years ago . . . Added to which, recent releases (like the SL MM246) tend to ship rather more quickly these days. . . . . And as someone else suggested, the 3 year gap is just a construct not a rule. Whatever - I've just bought a second M240 body as a backup All the best I agree, Jono. A clean sheet approach would not need to be constrained by the M mount, if you could still use M lenses. There'd be no need to call it M ... SL? I simply like the M form, with its traditional location of the aperture ring on the lens barrel, shutter dial top right, and manual focus, with the best that Leica can squeeze into that form factor. Call it nostalgia, I don't really care. It is a form I like and it is functional simplicity. I'm hoping the next M is just an upgrade to that proven formula, dealing only with those issues that need to be fixed to maintain the camera's excellent image quality. I hope you didn't buy another M(240) because a new M is coming which departs from that formula, Jono ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted July 19, 2016 Share #850 Posted July 19, 2016 I have seen a mock-up of a high grade video-chip, if I understand made by the CMOSIS manufacturer, earlier this year, intended for a M-line camera. It looks as if these rumors now merge: a new professional body that surpasses all SLR-based video camera's together with a line of cinema lenses that is finalized now. For lovers of real bokeh , these can be used on an M240 via an already available cine- adapter. Why turn a rangefinder camera into a video camera – that has no use for a rangefinder – when a camera like the SL is a much more sensible choice? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted July 19, 2016 Share #851 Posted July 19, 2016 Why turn a rangefinder camera into a video camera – that has no use for a rangefinder – when a camera like the SL is a much more sensible choice? Agreed. To a certain extent Leica has run into a bit of dead here in terms of new cameras. I know they will offer something if only because marketing demands it, but with the S SL M Q T X what else is there really revolutionary to produce? Perhaps a Q with a different lens maybe a zoom I don't know. Like I wrote above I believe they feel a sensor wall has been reached. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithlaban.co.uk Posted July 19, 2016 Share #852 Posted July 19, 2016 When I know about some new model that is still under wraps then for obvious reasons I cannot confirm that being the case. For equally obvious reasons I wouldn’t deny it either. But when I have no information about a hypothetical new model I am free to say so. I appreciate your clarity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted July 19, 2016 Share #853 Posted July 19, 2016 There is a near-direct parallel to what happened to Porsche when they released the 928. It was intended to replace the already long-in-the-tooth 911 series and was, in a great many ways, a far superior car. No question about it. But here we are in 2016 and the 928 is long gone whilst the 911 lives on. And the lesson from that is that technical superiority doesn't always mean a better or more engaging product. The 911 lives on because much like the M, it is such a damn simple notion at root which, for better or worse, has remained true to its initial notions remaining relevant through refinement. That was never the case with the 928, which beyond being a far more complex design never provided a strong enough sense of purpose to allow for the kind of iterative improvements that occurred with the 911. The 928 remains, to this day, one of the more challenging Porsches to keep roadworthy. Besides the 911 was a heck of a lot more fun. I've never seen a 928 lift a front wheel in a corner unless there was a jack under it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted July 19, 2016 Share #854 Posted July 19, 2016 If I tell you three times it is true... plates.jpg Surely nothing more than a trick perspective or evidence of superior photoshopping skill. This is not evidence, its witchery! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted July 20, 2016 Share #855 Posted July 20, 2016 As there are no video-specific components inside an iPhone (or an M for that matter), even Apple cannot shrink those. A CMOS sensor, a CPU, and a buffer, all sufficiently fast, are all you need for video – i.e. the same components you need for still photography anyway. Technically this is correct, but since Leica has never really delivered video suitable for professional use, and yes this includes the SL I would personally rather see the M void of all video features and focus on what it does best. For me thats a small, lightweight rangefinder with a high quality EVF (yes blasphemy) and a better buffer that doesnt fill up before the card fills up. There is no reason a camera should stop shooting in 2016. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 20, 2016 Share #856 Posted July 20, 2016 For sure the M is not meant for professional video, it is no part of the concept, but for some of its primary use, i.e. journalism, travel, etc, a limited video function is quite useful and adequate. Why would you want to amputate it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted July 20, 2016 Share #857 Posted July 20, 2016 Technically this is correct, but since Leica has never really delivered video suitable for professional use, and yes this includes the SL I would personally rather see the M void of all video features and focus on what it does best. For me thats a small, lightweight rangefinder with a high quality EVF (yes blasphemy) and a better buffer that doesnt fill up before the card fills up. There is no reason a camera should stop shooting in 2016. In what way is the SL not suitable for "professional use" for video, say compared to the GH4, A7S or 5Dmk3? Gordon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 20, 2016 Share #858 Posted July 20, 2016 [...] I would personally rather see the M void of all video features and focus on what it does best. For me thats a small, lightweight rangefinder with a high quality EVF (yes blasphemy) and a better buffer that doesnt fill up before the card fills up. There is no reason a camera should stop shooting in 2016. Better buffer and EVF are due for a long time but video should no hurt if one can forget it. Hope the video button will be programmable on the next M but i dont hold my breath... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted July 20, 2016 Share #859 Posted July 20, 2016 QUESTION - if you knew you were never being able to upgrade the M240s, what solution would you choose to add flexibility to the kit. Keep a DSLR for the odd occassion when you need long or zoom? Opt for micro 2/3 for tele lenses? Go in the Sony direction? Stick with the SL (maybe with adaptors for Canon lenses - I do find the cost and weight of the SL lenses really intimidating...). Interested to hear your thoughts. As ever... That's what I can't decide! I sold one M240 when I got the SL, thinking I could use it with M lenses as a second body. But it doesn't really work (hence the new M240). Two M bodies are a must for the way I like to work best. The SL with the two zooms is a cracking combination (for instance for concerts and for wildlife). I've got used to the weight (about 4kg). On the other hand, an Olympus E-M1 with the 12-40 and 40-150 F2.8 zooms can do most of the job at a fraction of the cost (and weight). Not quite so good for concerts though! I'm not helping an I? Perhaps where you are is the right place. Personally, having tried some bodies recently, I'm certain I'm never going back to a dSLR. But if I already had one ......... Best wishes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 20, 2016 Share #860 Posted July 20, 2016 Could you explain the limitations of the SL with M lenses? Some members appear to be very happy with the combo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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