almoore Posted October 30, 2015 Share #81 Posted October 30, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) The A7rII. I tried it at the dealer and I estimate the blackout to be one second but of course I didn't time it with a chronometer. If the blackout was sufficiently long to be noticeable there must have been something wrong with that particular camera. The blackout on the A7 series is very brief and not at all problematic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lm_user Posted October 30, 2015 Author Share #82 Posted October 30, 2015 To add a little levity I have a visoflex II which blacks out until I manually flip the mirror down. That is a long black out! Still managed to create some nice photographs.., Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted October 30, 2015 Share #83 Posted October 30, 2015 The A7rII. I tried it at the dealer and I estimate the blackout to be one second but of course I didn't time it with a chronometer. What shutter speed, what lighting conditions? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted October 30, 2015 Share #84 Posted October 30, 2015 Very few responses have stated a preference for a EVF over a well calibrated OVF SLR. Speaking only for myself and for my experience the only optical viewfinder I prefer over the best EVFs is one in the Leicaflex SL. I have not peered through an S2 or S viewfinder. Having used the a7II for 4 months I feel like I'm half blind when using most optical viewfinders because magnified focussing and exposure preview are not available. I'd be willing to accept those drawbacks with the Leicaflex SL if I could use a modern sensor in it. Most current and recent SLR vliewscreens are also not optimized for accurate manual focus. The EVF of the a7II isn't as pleasurable to use as the Leicaflex SL's viewfinder but among modern cameras I prefer it primarily for its manual focus capabilities and to a slightly lesser extent for its live exposure / histogram preview. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted October 30, 2015 Share #85 Posted October 30, 2015 Ramarran - I stand corrected. I have modified my post. To all: I am genuinely looking to understand the attraction of the EVF. I have not used one with the exception of my iphone. I am intersted in all points of view and user experiences with EVF You can logically analyze it all the ways you want, but IMO the only way to really understand what's different is to get a class-leading EVF camera and use it for a while. Not ten minutes. The iPhone's LCD is very good but it's most definitely not a class leading EVF. :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted October 30, 2015 Share #86 Posted October 30, 2015 What shutter speed, what lighting conditions? Normal shop lighting, bright fluorescent lamps but no daylight. Not necessitating high ISO for sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 30, 2015 Share #87 Posted October 30, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have no significant black out up to 3200 iso with the Fuji X-E2. FWIW. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biglou Posted October 30, 2015 Share #88 Posted October 30, 2015 With the A7r i have two lags, small but not insignificant, one for the EVF to light on when approaching my nose then between two shots. The rangefinder is much quicker as is an old Leicaflex. Maybe the SL is an improvement. You have a third lag if you turn off the power button between two shots. If you don't your battery will drain more quickly and anyway there is a " wake up " lag in this case. We live in an imperfect world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bybrett Posted October 30, 2015 Share #89 Posted October 30, 2015 Hmm. Lessee ... One native lens available at launch. Dedicated flash units available at launch. Remote release available at launch. Adapters for M and R lenses available at launch. How many six-bit-coded M lenses does that imply? How many supported R lenses? Bellows unit, extension tubes ... et cetera. Yes, it's a new system camera, with a pretty extensive existing system ready to be exploited and a future system of lenses and accessories yet to come. All will come to pass in time. G Agree all will come to pass in time. Meanwhile a camera with a lens which doubles up as a digital back for other system camera lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted October 31, 2015 Share #90 Posted October 31, 2015 Just a small anecdote. A friend of mine who uses Sony A7 series contacted me today asking for advice about a used M240P. He said his eyes are tired from looking at the tv monitor (EVF) for lengthy periods of time. Curiously this isn't the first time I hear about this. It might be a serious problem for some users. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted October 31, 2015 Share #91 Posted October 31, 2015 Agree all will come to pass in time. Meanwhile a camera with a lens which doubles up as a digital back for other system camera lenses. A 'digital back' is pretty much what it is - until Leica can support it with an adequate range of native lenses. It's not a bad idea, to make a digital back rather than a new camera system. Maybe a missed trick….. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bybrett Posted October 31, 2015 Share #92 Posted October 31, 2015 A 'digital back' is pretty much what it is - until Leica can support it with an adequate range of native lenses. It's not a bad idea, to make a digital back rather than a new camera system. Maybe a missed trick….. Missed a trick… or a Canon and Nikon adaptor up their sleeve? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted October 31, 2015 Share #93 Posted October 31, 2015 Missed a trick… or a Canon and Nikon adaptor up their sleeve? If they'd have offered those now maybe. It's going to be a year before they release the R adaptor, assuming they actually deliver on time (Leica S CS lenses anyone? Leica X filter tube? - that one never appeared, just Chinese alternatives). I seriously wonder about the Leica marketing strategy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted October 31, 2015 Share #94 Posted October 31, 2015 Novoflex are pretty good, in my experience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted October 31, 2015 Share #95 Posted October 31, 2015 Normal shop lighting, bright fluorescent lamps but no daylight. Not necessitating high ISO for sure. What shutter speed? A slow shutter speed -> long viewfinder blackout, just like an SLR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpclee Posted October 31, 2015 Share #96 Posted October 31, 2015 Even the best EVFs still have contrast ratios only in the neighborhood of 10,000:1 to 100,000:1. A good OLED television set is about 1,000,000:1, where as a good plasma TV is about 5,000,000:1. The human eye can see 15,000,000:1 and is only approached by good optical systems at the moment. The best optical viewfinder I've seen is the Hasselblad PME-90 prism finder with an Acute Matte screen and it basically looks like you're viewing with naked eyes. The Leica M's optical finder is not far behind. Until EVFs look like a well calibrated television display, they are not good enough yet. Just a small anecdote. A friend of mine who uses Sony A7 series contacted me today asking for advice about a used M240P. He said his eyes are tired from looking at the tv monitor (EVF) for lengthy periods of time. Curiously this isn't the first time I hear about this. It might be a serious problem for some users. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicapages Posted November 6, 2015 Share #97 Posted November 6, 2015 Now that Leica's vision for the future of professional photography has been revealed, and the R10 was dropped some time ago, are you happier with the SL - or would you have preferred to have the R10? Assume an R10 would have been full frame SLR based on the R9 (nice focusing screen, automatic stop down...) with optional autofocus lenses available for purchase... The SL offers the ability to use M lenses and R lenses on the same body. However, I am old fashioned and think I prefer to use my M lenses on an M and my R lenses on an SLR. However, many of you seem to promote the mirror-less camera solution. Not having ever used a mirror-less camera with manual focus lenses I am interested to hear your thoughts. Honestly: as a long time R8/R9 user I am quite underwhelmed at the SL, in terms of its ability to become a "successor" to the R. For a true successor camera, one would need -for starters- the ability to use the R lenses without limitation (mount, open lens metering etc). This is not the case with the SL. Let us even forget that the R adaptor will only be available a year from now (discounting the simultanuous use of two other adaptors to fit R lenses on the SL, which sounds like a joke to me - with due respect to those who did go that way). And I am also missing a brilliant optical viewfinder on the SL. So, a successor to the R it is not. But it certainly is a separate camera system in the Leica line. Only time will tell if it is successful or will go down the R way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted November 7, 2015 Share #98 Posted November 7, 2015 I went to the store this morning to see the SL carrying my R8 with 24 and 90 mm lenses. After spending my two hours with the SL, trading between its lens and these two, I am convinced: I'm going to love shooting with it. Then I went for a walk with the R8+Macro-Elmarit-R 60mm. Shot two rolls of film. I still love shooting with it too. Tomorrow I'll finish up the roll in the Leicaflex SL... And then switch for a while to the M-P as I catch up on processing and scanning all this film. I think Leica has done the right thing with the SL. For me, if not for everyone, and for the future photographers who need a top notch tool for the next age of both still and video photography. And I can still use the R8 or Leicaflex SL any time I want to enjoy the best that 35mm film SLRs ever offered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicaiste Posted November 7, 2015 Share #99 Posted November 7, 2015 I had the opportunity to try the SL with R and M lenses yesterday with the currently available adapters. I am sold, the SL is for me. This camera has an amazing personality. There is no other camera like this on the market. Like there was no camera like the R8 or there is no camera like the M. It's a real Leica. I can foresee it will take me some time to master it, like I had to do it with the M. But what a camera ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted November 7, 2015 Share #100 Posted November 7, 2015 For about a year I was photographing with Olympus Pen bodies and Oly, Leica M and Leica R lenses while waiting patiently in line for an M[240]. Putting an M43 body behind a nice R telephoto is like having 64 MPx of high quality sensor and then cropping down to the central quarter of the frame. I enjoyed it, still do it on occasion (with the Elmarit-R macro, for example) but it will be nice to get the whole frame. 24 MPx with larger, high DR pixels, is plenty for me. I've printed successfully up to 120 cm across. I think using the Sonys would have been a distraction. scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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