Guest Posted October 28, 2015 Share #1 Posted October 28, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Looking back on my posts on the Q that started soon after I got mine in early August I find that I was pretty critical of the camera, at times seriously wondering if I'd keep it........Things have changed. I am now very happy with this jewel...........Sure there's still the same firmware upgrade wishes that I do hope Leica finds the time soon to get to, but that's all, primarily just "fixable" firmware stuff. I am loving the "look" of the sensor and the overall handling of the camera. I still baulk some at using the EVF, but that's just me and EVF's and anyway when that gets up my nose the 28mm VC clip-on optical finder solves that issue just fine. The battery issues have been addressed by buying four third party batteries and just taking a couple of charged spares out with me plus the one in the camera. Job done, inexpensively too. The other thing the Q has done for me is to appreciate even more my M240 and the MM kits and how the Q does indeed compliment them. I have no good reason or desire to "move up" to the SL. Small is beautiful with these two systems. When I need anything, longer, larger, faster I solve those needs outside the Leica world, Nikon SLR.....But that's rare. Now, if Leica can put the Q's sensor into a new M, make the camera slim again like the the M9's, and NOT lose the RF / OVF, then maybe I'll dig into the wallet once more, but for now all's good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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m9photo Posted October 28, 2015 Share #2 Posted October 28, 2015 I can't wait for mine!.. other than this I would probably add M-E in my arsenal of Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewDD Posted October 28, 2015 Share #3 Posted October 28, 2015 I'm still thinking about it... Whenever I use both the M and my Q, the results from the M are in a different league. I find the Q constantly disappointing, particularly with distortion & colour balance. Trouble is, I've probaby left it too long to get my money back by selling it now! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam80 Posted October 28, 2015 Share #4 Posted October 28, 2015 Distortion? I don't get any in my shots, can you post an example or comparison? I've never had an M but I see that the colours are rendered differently by looking at other ppl's pics. It's still in high demand, you can get most of your money back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atvrider Posted October 28, 2015 Share #5 Posted October 28, 2015 I was a little unsure at first as well. The more I use it the happier I am with it. I own a Canon (5diii) and a Sony mirrorless and I find myself using the Q more than the other two. The ease of use is superior with the Q!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
katsanes Posted October 28, 2015 Share #6 Posted October 28, 2015 What I struggle with, and honestly it's a non-issue now because I gave my old camera to my girlfriend... What I struggle with is whether or not it's $3000 more valuable than my X100s. Truth be told, I love the X100s, and the Q is definitely the camera for me (because it's so similar to what I loved about the Fuji). Whether or not it delivers that much more value to me is hard to say in my case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
katsanes Posted October 28, 2015 Share #7 Posted October 28, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Forgot to say, for my need, I see the Q as a 5-year camera, quite easily. And I felt the same about the Fuji, for my needs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Q Posted October 28, 2015 Share #8 Posted October 28, 2015 Honestly I only have one issue with the Q - banding. Really wish it sported an ISO-invariant sensor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
viramati Posted October 28, 2015 Share #9 Posted October 28, 2015 Honestly I only have one issue with the Q - banding. Really wish it sported an ISO-invariant sensor. Yes the banding is there and is really the only issue i sometimes have with the camera and luckily it can be sorted Dfine2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Q Posted October 28, 2015 Share #10 Posted October 28, 2015 Yes the banding is there and is really the only issue i sometimes have with the camera and luckily it can be sorted Dfine2 How good does it work (any image degrading?) and how long does it take to remove the banding? I know it's not a good habit but I like to really push my shadows in post. Thanks!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanusj Posted October 29, 2015 Share #11 Posted October 29, 2015 I'm still thinking about it... Whenever I use both the M and my Q, the results from the M are in a different league. I find the Q constantly disappointing, particularly with distortion & colour balance. Trouble is, I've probaby left it too long to get my money back by selling it now! really interesting, because i found the distortion is almost "too good to be true" for a wide angle lens... color balance is another story, it depends heavily on every person's taste and preference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanusj Posted October 29, 2015 Share #12 Posted October 29, 2015 banding problem, is it related with high iso and electronic shutter? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewDD Posted October 29, 2015 Share #13 Posted October 29, 2015 Distortion? I don't get any in my shots, can you post an example or comparison? I've never had an M but I see that the colours are rendered differently by looking at other ppl's pics. It's still in high demand, you can get most of your money back. I don't see much point in posting bad pictures. You can see plenty of examples of distortion on the "Q image" thread. I find I have to be bang square on to the subject, and keep it well away from the edges (especially the corners) to get anything like an acceptable image - and that's not how I take my pictures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricky1981 Posted October 29, 2015 Share #14 Posted October 29, 2015 That's the case with any wider focal length lens though surely? I get distortion with any of my wide angle lenses in situations like that, even with the optically superior ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Q Posted October 29, 2015 Share #15 Posted October 29, 2015 banding problem, is it related with high iso and electronic shutter? High ISO - Yes Electronic shutter - No If happens when shooting with high ISO or trying to push shadows in post. See here: http://www.dpreview.com/previews/leica-q-typ116/6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juchelka Posted October 29, 2015 Share #16 Posted October 29, 2015 I don't see much point in posting bad pictures. You can see plenty of examples of distortion on the "Q image" thread. I find I have to be bang square on to the subject, and keep it well away from the edges (especially the corners) to get anything like an acceptable image - and that's not how I take my pictures. Hi Andrew! Can you please at least point out distortion in some specific images from "Q image" thread then? Also, where can I find your good photos, just to see what kind of images are you making, so your comments will make more sense to me? I tried briefly to look at M side of the forum, but could not easily locate their "image" thread (M8, etc.). Thank you! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthunter Posted October 29, 2015 Share #17 Posted October 29, 2015 To AndrewDD, how much you want for your Q? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucerne Posted October 29, 2015 Share #18 Posted October 29, 2015 Andrew i wouldn't dare suggest that you are wrong about what you are seeing, but it does seem to some us that your expectation of the output from the Q with its wide angle lens isn't what many others expect or accept. Until my Q arrived, I used a 21mm SEM heavily on all my travels and the effects of wide angle lens distortion are exactly what I want. I stopped using my 24mm on my M9 because it is corrected , unchallenging and rather uninteresting. Perfectly straight views of life are all too common. It seems that you really don't want extremism or a personal interpretation of a scene and you aren't going to be happy with your purchase. Have you considered using the perspective corrections in Lightroom. I know they don't counter all W-A distortions. It would help if you could let us see an image which represents the distortion that you consider unacceptable although I don't expect that your Q is performing differently from anyone else's. I'm happy with a result such this. The style may not be to your taste. The perspective has been further exaggerated during post-processing in LR. Leica M9 + 21SEM Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/252256-ok-maybe-i-was-wrong/?do=findComment&comment=2916663'>More sharing options...
Juchelka Posted October 29, 2015 Share #19 Posted October 29, 2015 Andrew i wouldn't dare suggest that you are wrong about what you are seeing, but it does seem to some us that your expectation of the output from the Q with its wide angle lens isn't what many others expect or accept. Until my Q arrived, I used a 21mm SEM heavily on all my travels and the effects of wide angle lens distortion are exactly what I want. I stopped using my 24mm on my M9 because it is corrected , unchallenging and rather uninteresting. Perfectly straight views of life are all too common. It seems that you really don't want extremism or a personal interpretation of a scene and you aren't going to be happy with your purchase. Have you considered using the perspective corrections in Lightroom. I know they don't counter all W-A distortions. It would help if you could let us see an image which represents the distortion that you consider unacceptable although I don't expect that your Q is performing differently from anyone else's. I'm happy with a result such this. The style may not be to your taste. The perspective has been further exaggerated during post-processing in LR. Leica M9 + 21SEM image.jpeg I cannot be 100% sure, of course, but I think Andrew is concerned about distortion artifacts introduced by software correction of the image inside the camera, not distortion resulting from optical design of the lens. Now, if the software corrects "undesirable" wide angle lens look it can on surface look like optically corrected lens, but I remember early Leica Q buyers discussing more software like kind of distortions as well as other problems, potentially introduced by turning on image stabilizer, etc. So far, I did not see/recognize any artificial looking distortions in my images, but that can be because of my style of shooting. I am not implying that Andrew is seeing things... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucerne Posted October 29, 2015 Share #20 Posted October 29, 2015 Sorry everyone! I may be barking up the wrong tree in responding to Andrews comments. I'll follow the debate with an open mind. I'd like to be able to visually recognise the perceived problem if anyone can show an example. As far as using image stabilisation, I understood that he facility is designed to be used when shooting video. I haven't used it on stills. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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