G. van Asch Posted December 1, 2015 Share #521 Posted December 1, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Beste Gerjan, Why don't you give Nivo-Schweitzer (Amsterdam) a call. I got mine from them and thought they had more in stock. Best regards, Lars Beste Lars, Thanks. I will contact various dealers by email because I would like to know about the value of the gear I'am trading in. From Istanbul it's no so easy. I will come to Holland second week of december and hopefully everything is fixed, Thanks again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wlaidlaw Posted December 1, 2015 Share #522 Posted December 1, 2015 Didn't there used to be a Leica Pop-up shop in Amsterdam duty free? They used to hold very good stock and at duty free prices as well. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G. van Asch Posted December 1, 2015 Share #523 Posted December 1, 2015 Wilson, I can buy tax free and will try to fix it all. Today I shot some nice pictures in Istanbul and love my M8. I am 64 so faster focusing is not so easy anymore (using 1,25 magnifier). For my streetshooting I use my 35mm 1,4 asph. set on f11/640 dist. 2 meters. My wife has a new d-lux 109 and it's so easy to use but the quality for me is not enough. I thought about a M-P but although the SL is bigger it can do so many things with the 24/90 lens and a smaller M-lens it will give me the perfect "easy shot" Thanks Gerjan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 6, 2015 Share #524 Posted December 6, 2015 Wilson, I can buy tax free and will try to fix it all. Today I shot some nice pictures in Istanbul and love my M8. I am 64 so faster focusing is not so easy anymore (using 1,25 magnifier). For my streetshooting I use my 35mm 1,4 asph. set on f11/640 dist. 2 meters. My wife has a new d-lux 109 and it's so easy to use but the quality for me is not enough. I thought about a M-P but although the SL is bigger it can do so many things with the 24/90 lens and a smaller M-lens it will give me the perfect "easy shot" Thanks Gerjan It feels like a heavy camera even with the T 18-56 Summicron attached.... I tried this combination secretly hoping that I could put up with the weight. No chance, however it is a beautiful camera and has an excellent eyepiece viewer which covers whether I have my glasses on or off. I also love the controls. What I hated was the weight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted December 6, 2015 Share #525 Posted December 6, 2015 It feels like a heavy camera even with the T 18-56 Summicron attached.... I tried this combination secretly hoping that I could put up with the weight. No chance, however it is a beautiful camera and has an excellent eyepiece viewer which covers whether I have my glasses on or off. I also love the controls. What I hated was the weight. I've been concentrating on using the SL with my R lenses, and I've noticed that as I've grown more accustomed to it I'm starting to use the larger, heavier lenses more. I used to lug around a Nikon F3 with motor and a four lens kit in a big bag once in the day ... The SL is of the same order in weight. I figure a few more days of this and the 24-90 will feel like just another large lens. So yesterday I was on an outing that has a specific "no photos allowed" rule (Santa Clara Historic Home Tour ... visiting people's homes in the area, they don't want people snapping photos of the presenters' private homes interiors and belongings) so I carried the X with me for casual snapshots when not in folks' homes. Now that camera feels tiny and light ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted December 14, 2015 Share #526 Posted December 14, 2015 At the end of this LuLa-article, Michael Reichman gives some positive remarks of the SL and the 24-90 lens. A formal review will be out in a few weeks time, I would guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted December 14, 2015 Share #527 Posted December 14, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) It feels like a heavy camera even with the T 18-56 Summicron attached.... I tried this combination secretly hoping that I could put up with the weight. No chance, however it is a beautiful camera and has an excellent eyepiece viewer which covers whether I have my glasses on or off. I also love the controls. What I hated was the weight. Spent 4 days in spain with it in my hands (24-90 attached) 12hrs a day .... and without a bag or any of the other clobber I tend to take. Weight was just the right side of unnoticeable and never caused fatigue or frustration .... my only concession was the WATE in my partners handbag ..... was used for 6 pics out of 750 and wasn't worth taking in retrospect. Camera worked faultlessly and I estimate I probably took <50% of the number of photos I would usually have done with my M or other Leicas ...... virtually no OOF or poorly exposed shots and hardly any cropping required. Very easy to use once you get your own preferences set up and buttons configured...... hardly ever had to delve into a menu to set things. Much as I like the M ..... and particularly the MM and M246 .... there are so many advantages with this camera that the loss of RF and compactness/lightness of an M with a single FL lens is all but nullified ...... and there are plenty of occasions where I would prefer the SL+native lens to a bag full of M gear ..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted December 14, 2015 Share #528 Posted December 14, 2015 I've been wondering about that ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted December 14, 2015 Share #529 Posted December 14, 2015 I don't carry a bag full of M gear around, so it's not the comparison I would make. At most it will be 2 spare lenses. Picking up the M after the SL plus even a M lens still makes me recognise the pleasure of (by comparison) a small, light camera. But I agree that the SL has so many positive elements and, as good Leica should be, it is also a pleasure to use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted December 16, 2015 Share #530 Posted December 16, 2015 It seems that for some photographers, the M was probably the wrong camera all along.If "hit rates" have significantly improved as a result of good AF, exposure readings and a zoom lens, and size is not a factor, why was anyone struggling with an M in the first place?It must have been rewarding in other ways, presumably. What has happened to those virtues which are now so much less attractive? To attempt to answer my own question, I suppose it must have been image quality. Some of the photos in the SL Photos thread certainly are beautiful and impressive and probably do prove that M-quality photography is finally available in a DSL format. So were all the other things that distinguish an M camera from everything else really rather insubstantial when it comes down to it? Oh yes, I am still pondering....Maybe I'll put this in the M forum out of interest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted December 16, 2015 Share #531 Posted December 16, 2015 The M is bought by RF users but also by people preferring TTL cameras thanks to its EVF. Not sure if the latters will be seduced by the SL but they have the choice anyway. As for the virtues of the M they are still here of course but they need to be enhanced as far as speed, size and weight are concerned at least. The danger does not come from the SL (provided it sells well enough), but from Sony IMHO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted December 16, 2015 Share #532 Posted December 16, 2015 I think you have to be a very keen photographer to be prepared to carry around an SL with the 24-90 all day. I haven't managed so far. Whereas I am perfectly prepared to carry around an M with say a 28, 35, 40 or 50 Summicron, for the whole day. Although it is a bit heavier than a bridge P&S it is no larger than many and smaller than some. It will just fit into a big jacket pocket. I don't think there is any pocket yet made that could hold the SL + Zoom. I am certainly going to keep my various M cameras, even though I have the SL. Will I buy the next M - probably if it is more weather proof, with a very thin O ring built into the mount and has better high ISO performance. A better EVF with 4.1M dot Epson screen would be a bonus and a hybrid VF magic but only if it can be done without making a humongous camera. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski542002 Posted December 16, 2015 Share #533 Posted December 16, 2015 It seems that for some photographers, the M was probably the wrong camera all along. If "hit rates" have significantly improved as a result of good AF, exposure readings and a zoom lens, and size is not a factor, why was anyone struggling with an M in the first place? It must have been rewarding in other ways, presumably. What has happened to those virtues which are now so much less attractive? To attempt to answer my own question, I suppose it must have been image quality. Some of the photos in the SL Photos thread certainly are beautiful and impressive and probably do prove that M-quality photography is finally available in a DSL format. So were all the other things that distinguish an M camera from everything else really rather insubstantial when it comes down to it? Oh yes, I am still pondering....Maybe I'll put this in the M forum out of interest. Hello Peter: I have the M, and will consider the SL when I feel I can spend the $$. I ventured into the M system as a new user 3 years ago with the 240. As a fully manual camera, I find it to be a very efficient throwback to the days of manual shutter selection, and most important, aperture selection with depth of field scales on all M lenses. I use it for very "un-rangefinder-centric" applications. I can tether it, and because of the LV, when on a tripod I use the M for architectural and product photography. Over a few months of initial frustration, I can now accurately focus the M close to what I am able to achieve using AF on a dslr. I don't shoot sports, so any AF application for me is equaled by the rangefinder. When I buy into the SL, I'll still use my M lenses for architecture and product with the rear LCD LV, but I will also have very prolific AF when necessary using the SL-native lenses. For me, it'll be almost the best of both worlds for a commercial application. My only hesitation is the MP of the sensor. I feel 24mp is more than adequate for 99% of my shooting, but from many client's point of view, bigger is always better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted December 16, 2015 Share #534 Posted December 16, 2015 Chris, I would assume as an architectural photographer, you use tilt-shift lenses for perspective correction, given that correction in photoshop, never looks 100% natural. In which case, you are going to find the selectable magnification field on the SL absolutely magic, as when tethered to an iPad, you can check just how accurate your key-stoning shift correction is and if you are using Scheimpflug effect for an angled focus field, again you can move the magnified patch up and down (or side to side) to see if you have got the tilt angle correct. I very rarely used my T-S lens on my M240 but I can see using it more on the SL. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski542002 Posted December 16, 2015 Share #535 Posted December 16, 2015 Hello Wilson: I was unaware of that feature and agree; it'd be very beneficial. Architecture is some of what I shoot. I feel that using the M & SL in-tandem, will make a great all around solution for commercial applications. For my architectural applications where TS is not needed, I'd happily put the quality of my 21 Biogon up against any wide dslr lens. I appreciate your reply! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted December 16, 2015 Share #536 Posted December 16, 2015 Not wrong camera, digital M camera was for some time best chance to use M and later R lenses on digital camera. SL is probably nearest thing to viable digital R solution and it works admirably with M lenses. R range is much wider than M range in terms of FL and capabilities, there must be hundreds of thousands of lenses manufactured from mid 1960s till - I have nine from 19 to 280mm. I managed to try SL with latest firmware 1.2 and focusing is just fantastic, will do full test drive in couple days to test some of the trickier lenses, like Summilux 75. I am converted M user however my introduction to Leica was R lens Leitaxed to work on Nikon F camera, once you discover the quality of optics you want more. I could see SL in my bag one day, not question of IF but WHEN (£££), also next M would be difficult to resist if it retains M core features and have most of the SL EVF capabilities. It seems that for some photographers, the M was probably the wrong camera all along.--- Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted December 16, 2015 Share #537 Posted December 16, 2015 Hello Wilson: I was unaware of that feature and agree; it'd be very beneficial. Architecture is some of what I shoot. I feel that using the M & SL in-tandem, will make a great all around solution for commercial applications. For my architectural applications where TS is not needed, I'd happily put the quality of my 21 Biogon up against any wide dslr lens. I appreciate your reply! Chris, I certainly agree about the quality of the 21 Biogon, which I used to use a lot on the M8. I use the 25 Biogon more now for doing yacht interiors, as it is so rectilinear that it requires very little PP correction. It is also very flare proof, which when you are using lots of snoot lights, is vital so as not to end up with ghost lights. As these sort of clients usually want the results about 30 minutes after you have left the boat, this is a considerable boon. I am pleased to say the Biogon 25 works almost as well on the SL as it does on the M, which given that its exit pupil is very rearwards, is a pleasant surprise. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted December 16, 2015 Share #538 Posted December 16, 2015 It seems that for some photographers, the M was probably the wrong camera all along. If "hit rates" have significantly improved as a result of good AF, exposure readings and a zoom lens, and size is not a factor, why was anyone struggling with an M in the first place? It must have been rewarding in other ways, presumably. What has happened to those virtues which are now so much less attractive? ... (bold 1) No, not the wrong camera. An excellent complement to my main camera (which has always been a TTL viewing camera due to the greater lens versatility and overall greater body capabilities) for when the different viewing and focusing methodology has advantage. The M has always complemented my SLR system, much the way the Hasselblad SWC and Rollei 35S has as well—each for their different capabilities and uses. (bold 2) Nothing has happened to the virtues for which I buy a rangefinder camera. They are exactly as they have always been. And I still have (and use) mine. And of course the M has always had superlative imaging qualities due to the lenses. That doesn't mean that the Nikkor, Olympus, or R-system lenses have been that inferior to them however, the R-system lenses in particular. The SL provides a new take on the R-system as my main line camera, the M simply continues in its complementary role for me. Both are excellent cameras to work with. (And I'm not selling the SWC either... ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski542002 Posted December 16, 2015 Share #539 Posted December 16, 2015 Chris, I certainly agree about the quality of the 21 Biogon, which I used to use a lot on the M8. I use the 25 Biogon more now for doing yacht interiors, as it is so rectilinear that it requires very little PP correction. It is also very flare proof, which when you are using lots of snoot lights, is vital so as not to end up with ghost lights. As these sort of clients usually want the results about 30 minutes after you have left the boat, this is a considerable boon. I am pleased to say the Biogon 25 works almost as well on the SL as it does on the M, which given that its exit pupil is very rearwards, is a pleasant surprise. Wilson A few weeks back I had an industrial shoot where I needed an extreme wide; rented the Voightlander 15mm V3 (the latest iteration). Stellar performance on my M, although I don't know how that wide an optic would perform on the SL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted December 16, 2015 Share #540 Posted December 16, 2015 I have a V2 CV15 which has sat on a shelf ever since I bought an 18SEM. The V2 suffers from pretty bad Italian Flag on the M240, which you needed to correct with a specific profile in C1 taken with an Expo-Disc (the equivalent of a white wall), which you then subtract from the images. It was much worse on the 240 than my M9, where it worked quite well. I keep meaning to sell it. It is coded as a 28 Summicron, which has the strongest I.F. in camera correction. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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