mjh Posted September 30, 2015 Share #61 Posted September 30, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) The Joker is that you? Speaking in riddles is not fair. Says who? Batman? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 30, 2015 Posted September 30, 2015 Hi mjh, Take a look here SL. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
freitz Posted September 30, 2015 Share #62 Posted September 30, 2015 Says who? Batman? NANANNANANANANNANANAANNNNANANNA I'm Batman. Appears I might need a Bruce Wayne Budget if this is somewhere between the M and S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted September 30, 2015 Share #63 Posted September 30, 2015 SL is a camera. Right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted September 30, 2015 Share #64 Posted September 30, 2015 It's a camera. And both a floor wax and a dessert topping. So there, I've spilled the beans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted September 30, 2015 Share #65 Posted September 30, 2015 What if it is neither? So far we have ‘a new M with an EVF’, ‘a Q with interchangeable lenses’, ‘an FF T’, and ‘an S lite’. That is, the SL is supposed be like something already existing, only different. But what if the new system should differentiate itself from all of the existing Leica systems while liberally borrowing proven concepts and components? That doesn't look like speaking in riddles . . . But didn't we also have a new M with an electronic rangefinder (like the Konost)? it's quite hard to keep up with it all! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill W Posted September 30, 2015 Share #66 Posted September 30, 2015 SL is a camera. Right? I thought it was a roadster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted September 30, 2015 Share #67 Posted September 30, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) I thought it was a roadster. That's what I thought first too...a SL (SuperLegerra) with EVF and AF (Early Variable Flow control with Anti Freeze) and FF (Freaking Fast). It will also have MF (Medium Fast) and RF (Rarely Fast) mode for the rich old ladies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 30, 2015 Share #68 Posted September 30, 2015 That doesn't look like speaking in riddles . . . But didn't we also have a new M with an electronic rangefinder (like the Konost)? it's quite hard to keep up with it all! You're missing in-camera focusing by a moving sensor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vintola Posted September 30, 2015 Share #69 Posted September 30, 2015 I thought it was a roadster. Yes, Mercedes Benz 190 SL and 300 SL. For those with more money, there was also 300 SLR. Maybe Leica is also planning SLR after SL. - vintola - Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted September 30, 2015 Share #70 Posted September 30, 2015 Hello Jaap, If the camera does its focusing with a movable sensor how would that camera's movable sensor accommodate lenses with floating elements? Best Regards, Michael Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jip Posted September 30, 2015 Share #71 Posted September 30, 2015 Hello Jaap, If the camera does its focusing with a movable sensor how would that camera's movable sensor accommodate lenses with floating elements? Best Regards, Michael It would not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 30, 2015 Share #72 Posted September 30, 2015 Hello Jaap, If the camera does its focusing with a movable sensor how would that camera's movable sensor accommodate lenses with floating elements? Best Regards, Michael Of course not, it is an Internet idea.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikonian Posted September 30, 2015 Share #73 Posted September 30, 2015 Yes, Mercedes Benz 190 SL and 300 SL. For those with more money, there was also 300 SLR. Maybe Leica is also planning SLR after SL. - vintola - The 300 SLR was a racecar. Not for sale. Only two street-legal were made. One of them was the private car of it's designer Rudolf Uhlenhaut. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted September 30, 2015 Share #74 Posted September 30, 2015 There have been many Mercedes models over the years with the SL designation.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_SL-Class ..... including some AMG versions. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted October 1, 2015 Share #75 Posted October 1, 2015 There have been many Mercedes models over the years with the SL designation.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_SL-Class ..... including some AMG versions. Jeff But none of them took pictures !! Better design next time Mercedes .... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill W Posted October 1, 2015 Share #76 Posted October 1, 2015 Sorry I made this digress to a Mercedes discussion. I have only owned one in my lifetime, not an SL but a CLK 550 and it was FANTASTIC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jip Posted October 1, 2015 Share #77 Posted October 1, 2015 It was fantastic, the power of the Leica is that it stays fantastic! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppyman Posted October 2, 2015 Share #78 Posted October 2, 2015 The S is just an M with a larger sensor and a prism finder and AF….. Indeed, the SL appears to be a separate new system. James, I think that your second comment is a safe one (and I may lust for this system too) I have a different view on your first comment though. I have the S2 (hoping to upgrade) and the M. For me they have different strengths.It depends on how you typically use your cameras of course. File to file shot side by side the differences are apparent (dynamic range, DoF, default colour rendering and WB and practical resolution for me). I don't think of the S cameras as big dSLRs though (to be compared directly with the best of Canon and Nikon). They compare and compete instead directly with Hasselblad and PhaseOne in market and for purpose. I suspect that most if not all 'fullframe' cameras will end up mirrorless. I think that pro format/medium format is a different case though. I sometimes use the liveview on my M's LCD for framing and where I need to hold the camera away from my eye (focus peaking and video I don't find useful). I can see how live view may be useful for similar purposes with the Typ 007 (and 008 onwards???!!!) but the loss of that optical finder would be a great disappointment for me. Well i will worry about that after I get the Typ 007 and do my best to wear it out first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted October 14, 2015 Share #79 Posted October 14, 2015 Leaving aside suggestions of any impact on the S and M camera series, the idea of the SL does intrigue me. If we look at the functionality of the S, the M(240) and the T, and we assume that each system is intended to stand on its own, and have its own bright future independent of the rest, it is clear that the SL is going to fill a very particular niche. In 35mm format, apart from film, we will have the choice of the manual M camera (limited focal lengths, optical view finder, pretty much manual everything), the SL will at least reflect the S line, but with EVF in 35mm format: AF lenses, of pretty much unlimited focal lengths - will it also have a centre leaf shutter as an alternative ti the focal plane shutter (like the S systems CS lenses)? live view - will the LCD be articulated? touch screen? 4K video, with headphone jacks etc independent of the hotshoe? WiFi tethering multi-matrix, spot, centre weighted metering GPS Heaven knows what else, and many here will be extremely annoyed if it has some features which others want, and if it doesn't have other features. A lot will turn on the buttons it has, and the quality of the user interface, rather than functionality I guess. What I'm struggling with is if I added one lens with AF capability, what would it be? My M lenses are superb, so a slow(ish) AF zoom from 24-90mm is just duplicating the range of fast primes I already own and use. So, what's the driving force? Long zooms? It brings to mind the ridiculous 80-400mm Nikkor AF-S zoom I had on my D800E. No doubt it took very good pictures, but it was HUGE. Ridiculously huge; it was one of the driving forces of selling the Nikon system - the whole thing was just ridiculously big. Will the SL suffer from the same thing? There's no doubt that a fast AF lens would be useful for those events where manual focusing is a pain - sport and wildlife spring particularly to mind, which suggests a telephoto. Back to HUGE! The telephoto I loved and used the most was the amazing Nikkor 180/2.8 IFED - it was expensive a the time, but it was compact, rock solid and about as long as you'd want to use handheld. So, while Leica produces its wide, mid-range and long zooms and 35 & 50 Summiluxes for the SL, I must confess to thinking a bit like Jono - a camera like this does actually have a place with the M cameras, using M lenses. The trick will be for Leica to produce some lenses at some reasonably early stage which complement the M line of lenses - a good macro lens, perhaps a TE lens and an APO Summicron 180 ASPH AF. That might get me going ... Christ, how expensive is this going to be? If the new AF lenses are of the standard of the S & M lenses, and the camera has an adapter for, say, the C lenses, this could get very interesting. It might appeal to a small group of rich (or in my cases stupidly deranged), but if it delivers the quality in the way the Leica is capable of, it should make the A7 look like a toy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted October 15, 2015 Share #80 Posted October 15, 2015 But none of them took pictures !! Better design next time Mercedes .... Stay tuned....Mercedes is one of the leaders in testing driverless technology that employs sophisticated camera and computer systems. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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