steve70 Posted August 24, 2015 Share #1 Posted August 24, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hello, I have an M240 and a Monochrom. The Monochrom I purchased as a factory demo. Does anyone know how one can access the menu so as to find out how many actuations or exposures have been taken with either camera? Leica refuses to provide this info, which I find frustrating, as they are after all my cameras! Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 Hi steve70, Take a look here Actuations on an M240 & Monochrom. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
jaapv Posted August 24, 2015 Share #2 Posted August 24, 2015 Monochrom=M9, so the unique image ID of the last shot is the number of actuations. The M240- well, the cypher has not been broken yet... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted August 24, 2015 Share #3 Posted August 24, 2015 My guess would be that Leica have held the information back because with the previous 'M9' cameras there was a lot of confusion and conspiracy theory about the number of acceptable 'quality control' shots that registered, we can all remember 'new camera with 350 exposures!' types of comment. Maybe without that paranoia Leica would have deemed us worthy of knowing what the exposure count of our cameras is? But as it is you'll just have to keep track of your memory card count, and guess the extra's. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted August 24, 2015 Share #4 Posted August 24, 2015 With the M9, Leica techs could have taken a minute to zero the actuation counter after the 350 test exposures, I would think. But they didn't for some reason... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kilmister Posted August 24, 2015 Share #5 Posted August 24, 2015 If you go to Lightroom and count the difference between first photo and most recent photo then you get a fairly good figure. Considering that the M240 is designed to do little else but take photos then you might want to view the number taken as 'running in' in car terminology. If you are selling and the buyer wants to know how many shots have been taken then say under 10,000 and you won't be wrong but the camera is run in. Some people can be a bit too anal retentive about things like this. If you are buying, look at the seller, look at the camera, ask to see photos taken. You'll soon catch the drift. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted August 24, 2015 Share #6 Posted August 24, 2015 Remember every time you use live view, whether you capture an image or not, you get an actuation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerndReini Posted August 25, 2015 Share #7 Posted August 25, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Who cares? I have a serious question: has anyone on this forum actually taken so many pictures that the shutter failed? I am not talking about the cracked shutter curtains because a tiny piece of metal got in between them (which by the way I am convinced were the little clamps in the mount that can come loose). I am talking about a shutter with 120,000 - 150,000 or more actuations,which is what they are rated for. Is there any other part on an M that would suffer from too many actuations? And btw., I also bought a QM2 MM in silver, and I am convinced that it was intended to be used as a store demo, but never unpacked because the M246 was released before it could serve its intended purpose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted August 25, 2015 Share #8 Posted August 25, 2015 I've always assumed I'm partly to blame for this ....... my original M9 was and ex-demo 'as new' camera from Leica Mayfair which had a number of 'minor' issues ..... .... the main one being it had nearly 7000 actuations on the clock when I checked ....... and I caused a fair old rumpus till it was exchanged for a nice shiny new one at no extra cost ........ In retrospect it was probably not a major problem given the anticipated shutter life, but I can see why Leica changed things to shut up people like me ....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted August 25, 2015 Share #9 Posted August 25, 2015 7000 acutations = "as new," does it?? I would have raised hell, too. Perhaps Leica dealership owners should refrain from hiring former used car salesmen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clactonian Posted August 25, 2015 Share #10 Posted August 25, 2015 Have a look HERE You'll need to scroll down a ways. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Lowe Posted August 25, 2015 Share #11 Posted August 25, 2015 There's far too much emphasis placed on actuations as some sort of measure of wear and tear. A camera is not a car and actuations are not mileage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mornnb Posted August 25, 2015 Share #12 Posted August 25, 2015 I suspect it has a lifetime of a lot more than 150,000. It's only a 1/4000 shutter of 3FPS. Canon has 14FPS 1/8000 rated at 400,000. The Leica shutter is not handling as severe forces. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerndReini Posted August 26, 2015 Share #13 Posted August 26, 2015 If Leica gave me a discount of 10 cents per shutter actuation they put on the demo during testing, I would buy one with around 50,000. As a matter of fact, I would feel more comfortable with a new camera that has 500 actuations than with one that has 10. I come from a film background, and still shoot film. I admit that I am guilty of shooting more exposures when I shoot digital than film, but maybe five times more. That gets me to around 200 exposures for a day of heavy street shooting in a crowded place. I don't think I have enough time to shoot 150,000 exposures before the next M comes out that I want to buy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jip Posted August 30, 2015 Share #14 Posted August 30, 2015 I'm selling my M 240 and feel very annoyed to all the people who keep asking me how many 'clicks' the camera has made... even if it is rated for only 100 000 I wouldn't get near enough in about 10 to 15 years! And even then, I highly doubt that the shutter suddenly breaks at the 100 000 actuation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkonkkrete Posted August 31, 2015 Share #15 Posted August 31, 2015 It's just a proxy for general amount of use. Ceteris paribus, fewer actuations = less use = closer to new. I don't see the problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 31, 2015 Share #16 Posted August 31, 2015 Problem is what to tell buyers if we intend to sell the camera. Simple truth is we have no evidence of the actual number of shutter actuations, hence no proof of wear and tear besides cosmetic considerations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mornnb Posted August 31, 2015 Share #17 Posted August 31, 2015 I have not heard a lot of reports of shutter failures from Leica cameras. I think this measure is more relevant for Canon sports cameras that shoot at 14FPS. Not terribly relevant for Leica's. The black paint is going to wear off before the shutter breaks down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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