mjh Posted September 29, 2015 Share #1281 Posted September 29, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Auto-focus in camera may simply mean screw drive AF. Either that or it means that Lavidaleica hasn’t got a clue. Take your pick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted September 29, 2015 Share #1282 Posted September 29, 2015 True for the thickness but an enlarged body to accomodate the movement of the sensor would be a trade off for smaller lenses which is a big gripe by many Sony A7RII users who find the Sony/Zeiss fast lenses do not balance too well with the small Sony A7RII body. The mass of a sensor is most likely not much more than a group of lens elements and the sensor could be moved by a helicoil just like in a lens, thus trading off increased lens size due to focus motors in the lenses into the body making for a more balanced package. And, trumping the balance benefit would be the ability to use legiondary Leica M lenses in an autofocus manner and turn the feature off when wanting to manual focus.There is a reason Contax is not with us any more... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted September 29, 2015 Share #1283 Posted September 29, 2015 There is a reason Contax is not with us any more... Don’t forget the FF DSLR that rosuna mentioned above – that was probably the worst DSLR I have ever had the pleasure to review. Although that must squarly be blamed on its Philips CCD. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 29, 2015 Share #1284 Posted September 29, 2015 It may well be that Leica has adopted this system: http://hackaday.com/2014/11/12/an-external-autofocus-for-dslrs/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted September 29, 2015 Share #1285 Posted September 29, 2015 Don’t forget the FF DSLR that rosuna mentioned above – that was probably the worst DSLR I have ever had the pleasure to review. Although that must squarly be blamed on its Philips CCD. I reviewed the camera too... PDF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted September 29, 2015 Share #1286 Posted September 29, 2015 Either that or it means that Lavidaleica hasn’t got a clue. Take your pick. Indeed! Effectively it would be strange if Leica opted for this obsolete AF technology in an otherwise very uptodate model. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted September 29, 2015 Share #1287 Posted September 29, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) So, we've all been rather focused on the SL camera. What's the X-U(Typ113) going to be? La Vide Leica seems to think this will be M like ... The La Vida Leica website suggests the new SL has “Auto Focus in-camera” and introducing a Sony A7RII me too product by accomodating a myriad of lenses with differing mounts and manufacturers does not align with the Leica pronoucnement “..be one of the first to experience the next chapter in the history of profesional photography,…” Therefore, I think that the new Leica SL will enable movement of the sensor like the Contax AX of a bygone erra that would provide autofocus to manual focus lenses. Now, that would be beyond evolutionary into something that is revolutionary for the photo industry. LaVida Leica is a wonder - and it's really important to remember what they say right now, so that we can see how good his sources are after the event. It would seem that we're in for a new M with an electronic rangefinder and that the SL will have in camera auto-focus - we live in exciting times! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mornnb Posted September 29, 2015 Share #1288 Posted September 29, 2015 I wonder, surely there is a market for a compact medium format mirrorless? If anyone can do it its Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkonkkrete Posted September 29, 2015 Share #1289 Posted September 29, 2015 Fuji is meant to be working on it. I doubt Leica will do another medium format, they already have the S. There have been NO indications from Leica or any other rumour sites about a compact medium format mirrorless ... although I do so wish there would be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkonkkrete Posted September 29, 2015 Share #1290 Posted September 29, 2015 LaVida Leica is a wonder - and it's really important to remember what they say right now, so that we can see how good his sources are after the event. It would seem that we're in for a new M with an electronic rangefinder and that the SL will have in camera auto-focus - we live in exciting times! I just don't believe the in-camera focus thing, that really is implausible. I'm pretty sure the M will have an optical rangefinder for as long as it exists. Perhaps hybrid, but never purely electronic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted September 29, 2015 Share #1291 Posted September 29, 2015 I wonder, surely there is a market for a compact medium format mirrorless? If anyone can do it its Leica. That is not so easy as it seems to be. The CMOS sensor would be very large, and it needs to be operating continuously. Moreover, you would need a quite large mount, larger than the diagonal of the sensor (and larger than you would need on a reflex camera with longer flange distance). It would be difficult to design and handle a comparatively small mirrorless camera with a huge mount and huge long telephoto lenses... Maybe for this medium format cameras a reflex-type body has more sense... those systems need some balance between body and lenses, and a more robust handling with larger grips and heavier bodies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted September 29, 2015 Share #1292 Posted September 29, 2015 I just don't believe the in-camera focus thing, that really is implausible. I'm pretty sure the M will have an optical rangefinder for as long as it exists. Perhaps hybrid, but never purely electronic. I had my tongue very firmly in my cheek here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted September 29, 2015 Share #1293 Posted September 29, 2015 That is not so easy as it seems to be. The CMOS sensor would be very large, and it needs to be operating continuously. Moreover, you would need a quite large mount, larger than the diagonal of the sensor (and larger than you would need on a reflex camera with longer flange distance). It would be difficult to design and handle a small comparatively mirrorless camera with a huge mount and huge long telephoto lenses... Maybe for this type of cameras a reflex-type body has more sense... There is nothing to be gained by a mirrorless medium format. The beauty of MF is in the huge bright viewfinder. You replace it with an EVF, no matter how good, and the magic is gone. I would still even prefer the OVF of a FF DSLR over the EVF, if the camera makers didn't stop making focusing screens that are suitable for manual focusing, such as with split image/microprism. Long live the Leica M Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted September 29, 2015 Share #1294 Posted September 29, 2015 There is nothing to be gained by a mirrorless medium format. The beauty of MF is in the huge bright viewfinder. You replace it with an EVF, no matter how good, and the magic is gone. I would still even prefer the OVF of a FF DSLR over the EVF, if the camera makers didn't stop making focusing screens that are suitable for manual focusing, such as with split image/microprism. Well... for me the key of a MF system is the size of the frame-sensor itself. It brings a different quality to the pictures, and different separation between the focus plane and the space in front and behind it. One of the tragedies of this digital age is the loss of many large formats and the distinct looks they provided to the photographer (form 6x6 upwards). The optical large viewfinders were a joy to use, of course, but this is secondary (for me). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted September 29, 2015 Share #1295 Posted September 29, 2015 Well... for me the key of a MF system is the size of the frame-sensor itself. It brings a different quality to the pictures, and different separation between the focus plane and the space in front and behind it. One of the tragedies of this digital age is the loss of many large formats and the distinct looks they provided to the photographer (form 6x6 upwards). The optical large viewfinders were a joy to use, of course, but this is secondary (for me). I definitely don't disagree. The sensor size is indeed of primary importance, but to me, the medium format viewfinder is part of the medium format experience. Unless they make a huge EVF to emulate the optical one, that is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted September 29, 2015 Share #1296 Posted September 29, 2015 It may well be that Leica has adopted this system: http://hackaday.com/2014/11/12/an-external-autofocus-for-dslrs/ It resembles to me the smart ( ) way in which (in "mech" times) Zeiss engineered the actuation of Contarex lenses' diaphragm through an on-body dial... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted September 29, 2015 Share #1297 Posted September 29, 2015 The beauty of MF is in the huge bright viewfinder. You replace it with an EVF, no matter how good, and the magic is gone. Long live the Leica M I have to agree ....... leaving the M with an optical viewfinder but overlaying some form of in camera digital focussing confirmation will not make me a happy bunny ...... As things stand I can focus optically on a single leaf on a tree and know exactly what I am focussed on ........ I cannot see how any digital system could offer this degree of clarity and precision, no matter how it is implemented. A camera with BOTH would be fine, but throwing out the optical system just because Leica feels they cannot maintain the rigours of mechano-optical accuracy necessary in the system risks alienating a lot of current users. Keeping things as they are and just adding a less clunky add on EVF that is as functionally good as in the Q would satisfy me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted September 29, 2015 Share #1298 Posted September 29, 2015 The three lenses to be announced together with Leica SL: - Leica Vario-Elmarit-SL 1:2.8-4 / 24-90mm ASPH. - Leica Apo-Vario-Elmarit-SL 1:2.8-4 / 90-280mm - Leica Summilux-SL 1:1.4 / 50mm ASPH. Source: Digital Camera Info http://digicame-info.com/2015/09/sl3.html Conflicting information from the other post said it would launch with a 50/2 cron. With the Cron is the "poor man kit" - with Lux and two zooms the "real Leicaman kit" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rramesh Posted September 29, 2015 Share #1299 Posted September 29, 2015 More expensive than an M but less than an S, I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted September 29, 2015 Share #1300 Posted September 29, 2015 If the AF lenses are like that of the Q... uff... This will be a really special event... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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