Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted September 28, 2015 Share #1241 Posted September 28, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well it all seems really daft to have an M system that is brilliant, an S system that is amazing, a Q that 28mm users love, and then come up with another system called perhaps SL that might or might not allow M or R or T lenses to be adapted. I really think this discussion is in fantasy land now. John It ain't any different to the likes of Sony Nikon or Canon...................they all have different systems under the same name Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted September 28, 2015 Share #1242 Posted September 28, 2015 I wouldn't be surprised if the S-lenses can also be used in cropped version with an adapter. Jack of all trades then! I hope not..........My S lenses are massive, and I am hoping this new system will be small compact and come with Red Arte De Mano half cases Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted September 28, 2015 Share #1243 Posted September 28, 2015 It would not surprise me at all if the SL's lens mount is derived from the T's lens mount, and given Leica's very long history of making adapters (for the S and T systems, for the original Visoflex lenses, and more) I would be shocked if the new camera couldn't use M, R and T lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted September 28, 2015 Share #1244 Posted September 28, 2015 I hope not..........My S lenses are massive, and I am hoping this new system will be small compact and come with Red Arte De Mano half cases If the S lenses can be used on the SL, the SL can be a backup for the S. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kilmister Posted September 28, 2015 Share #1245 Posted September 28, 2015 Jack of all trades, master of none. I want this event on 20th October to be positive, although the ideas being put forward on this forum beggar belief. Am I alone? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted September 28, 2015 Share #1246 Posted September 28, 2015 As long as sensor doesn't crack and strap lugs hold we will be for a nice surprise. From few teaser photos and leaked spec it looks at least R lens compatible, body appears to be reasonably thick so flange to sensor distance may be in 20 to 30 mm range. M lens compatibility would be a bonus. Any lens performance impaired by sensor cover glass thickness would be compensated in software, after all this is going to be Leica camera made to be used with Leica lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbuckley Posted September 28, 2015 Share #1247 Posted September 28, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well, since La Vida Leica published the initial rumor about this in May, I believe the assumption has been that the new camera -- he thought it was going to be a version of the M, but that was subsequently overtaken by rumors of a new system -- would take both M and T lenses. Somewhere along the way, it was pointed out that if this camera could take M and T lenses, an R lens would likely work with an adaptor, and the Facebook photo of Dr. K's new camera would seem to confirm this.. A week or so ago, a French site said there would be a native 50mm Summicron, since debunked. Now there is a Japanese site listing three new lenses. If this jack of all trades is coming into correctly into focus, as it were, it's very, um, adaptable. Or it could be the Loch Ness Monster, the Big Foot of rumored cameras... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayewing Posted September 28, 2015 Share #1248 Posted September 28, 2015 I hope not..........My S lenses are massive, and I am hoping this new system will be small compact and come with Red Arte De Mano half cases I doubt if the new SL will be compact. It might be lighter than the M as it will lack the rangefinder mechanism but it will be used with some pretty large lenses e.g. F2.8-4 / 90-280mm AF zoom for a FF sensor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted September 28, 2015 Share #1249 Posted September 28, 2015 only 24 days to go Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
freitz Posted September 28, 2015 Share #1250 Posted September 28, 2015 Jack of all trades, master of none. I want this event on 20th October to be positive, although the ideas being put forward on this forum beggar belief. Am I alone? Seems far fetched but if Leica pulls it off could be nice. I for one with a new baby and young family wouldn't mind an option that could accommodate my M lenses and use AF lenses when needed and didn't say Sony on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 28, 2015 Share #1251 Posted September 28, 2015 You mean like putting Leica M lenses on the Sony A7 system..........I just don't see it, my gut feeling is that the new SL-601 will be targeted at those of us that only want AF. Well, that would rule it out completely for me. AF is the last thing I want. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted September 28, 2015 Share #1252 Posted September 28, 2015 AF is the last thing I want. After having both MF and now AF with the S I am defiantly in the other camp......................AF all the way Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted September 28, 2015 Share #1253 Posted September 28, 2015 Obviously, yes. As I have said a couple of times now: There won’t be a new DSLR system, from anyone. Maybe Pentax will develop a new system based on the K mount and 24x36mm format, to be presented soon. The last lenses for K mount also cover 24x36 sensors. This is strange at this moment (2015), to say the least, but Pentax (with Contax) developed the first digital DSLR camera with 24x36 sensor years ago (only Contax brought the product to the market... a few units). Contax (then Kyocera) used the N mount, and Pentax prototypes had the K mount. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted September 28, 2015 Share #1254 Posted September 28, 2015 The new camera (lets call it SL) will be great! New possibilities for happy owners of Leica M and R lenses... and for those looking for a modern AF mirrorless system of top quality. This is the start of something big (and good) for sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 28, 2015 Share #1255 Posted September 28, 2015 After having both MF and now AF with the S I am defiantly in the other camp......................AF all the way Well, been there, done that. I prefer full control without fiddling, except for predictive tracking AF for high-speed subjects Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted September 29, 2015 Share #1256 Posted September 29, 2015 Well, been there, done that. I prefer full control without fiddling, except for predictive tracking AF for high-speed subjectsthats why Leica is so frigging awesome now........ We all have a choice Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted September 29, 2015 Share #1257 Posted September 29, 2015 Hello Everybody, Historically Leitz/Leica has been a first class lens manufacturer* that also made bodies & adapters, etc. It has also usually been the case historically that the person using that body pretty much had to use Leitz/Leica lenses. For Leica to make a camera body today that would pretty much take any number of other manufacturer's lenses (or Leitz/Leica's own earlier versions) "seamlessly" would seem to be out of character with their previous direction. Altho some degree of forward compatibility is traditional. I doubt that there has been that much profit in selling camera bodies over the years. Regardless of how exceptional those bodies might be. Lenses & the package that goes with them are more likely where Leica sees their future to be. I tend to think that any new body/system will pretty much necessitate the use of new proprietary Leica lenses in some form. Even if it is a variation of an "M" Mount. Best Regards, Michael * Including lenses made for them by other Manufacturers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted September 29, 2015 Share #1258 Posted September 29, 2015 Hello Everybody, Historically Leitz/Leica has been a first class lens manufacturer* that also made bodies & adapters, etc. It has also usually been the case historically that the person using that body pretty much had to use Leitz/Leica lenses. For Leica to make a camera body today that would pretty much take any number of other manufacturer's lenses (or Leitz/Leica's own earlier versions) "seamlessly" would seem to be out of character with their previous direction. ... I tend to think that any new body/system will pretty much necessitate the use of new proprietary Leica lenses in some form. Even if it is a variation of an "M" Mount. I think that with the S system adapters Leica has changed direction. The thinking as I see it is that getting a camera that can use the new lenses into the hands of photographers makes it easier for these photographers to buy the new lenses, even if in the short term the bodies are only used with adapted lenses. This is a long-term strategy not short-term. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted September 29, 2015 Share #1259 Posted September 29, 2015 Jack of all trades, master of none. I want this event on 20th October to be positive, although the ideas being put forward on this forum beggar belief. Am I alone? I would think so. We've been talking about a full frame EVIL on this forum for at least four years, if I'm not mistaken. Initially, it was to have a cheap (by Leica standards) mirrorless, full electronic everything AF backup camera that could take M lenses. The M mini looked like it was what we had been asking for, but that turned out to be a bit of (mis)marketing. The T looked like it might be it, but it was APS-C and a bit average in a number of areas (though I am sorely tempted to get mine back from the dealer). This time round, the rumours look solid. An AF mirrorless system, full frame that will take R, M and possibly T & S lenses with adapters. It will be priced, though, somewhere around the M, or between the M and the S - so, this is going to be a serious camera that fills a lot of very real demands from Leica users here. It also fills the gap for those thinking of venturing into Sony A7 territory with Leica lenses. I would expect the sensor to be as good (in practice, if not in number comparisons) as the A7, the AF lenses to be better than the Sony lenses, and provide an alternative as good as the Zeiss lenses. The concept of an S Light is a good one, as it's pitched at the right end of the market for Leica and it builds on what is, by all accounts, a fabulous camera (the S(007)). If this is correct, then the starting point is a mirrorless full frame version of the S, with a similar user interface and functions (including remote function from phone or tablet). What's not to like? provided it meets the quality standards Leica aspires to. My coffee with Al is safe, for the moment (no money), but I will be very interested to see how this works out. From past experience, I would use one AF wide zoom and perhaps a good fast telephoto prime - my most used lenses on my Nikon cameras was the 17-24mm AF zoom and the fabulous 180/2.8 IFED telephoto. That said, I see no point in duplicating the fantastic lenses I have from 15mm to 90mm, albeit manual focus. I see no reason why a camera like this could not fill the role of taking any manufacturers' lenses, with appropriate adapters, provided the lenses were up to standard. Sony has already raised the prospect of the A7RII being a platform for any lenses (including Canon AF). Sure, Leica's attention will be on its own lenses, but it if could be a universal platform ... So, I will watch with interest. This camera would need to provide me with good macro, a high quality mid-range or wide zoom (I'd love the R 28-90mm zoom, but it is priced out of the market for me - I hope Leica returns to making lenses of that quality) and a really good telephoto of the quality of the Nikkor 180/2.8 IFED. I'd be really happy then to have a talk about camera that really was a complement to my M cameras. In terms of size and hand holding ability, 180 is about as far as I would go, without image stabilisation. This is going to be very interesting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted September 29, 2015 Share #1260 Posted September 29, 2015 How is Leica's EVF. I had one for my M (240) I think that's what it was............... and it sucked Terrible. I haven't had a chance to look through the EVF on the Q but I believe that one is much better. Hopefully the SL will have something special up its sleeve that will blow us all away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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