lct Posted September 7, 2015 Share #821 Posted September 7, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Where would you put the ISO dial? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Exodies Posted September 7, 2015 Share #822 Posted September 7, 2015 Under the base plate of course. You always used to have to take off the base plate to change sensor sensitivity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kilmister Posted September 7, 2015 Share #823 Posted September 7, 2015 Now we are into the realms of fantasy as far as I can see. I can just imagine standing by the side of the road about to take a photo of someone really important passing by and thinking, "Oh dear, I need to take off my baseplate to sort out ISO." Two seconds later there you are, with bits and pieces of camera in hand fiddling with a dial, and the VIP has gone by. Good idea for some ... but not for me. @Exodies: Surely you are much more sensible than me and yet I can see that removing the baseplate won't work when on a job. Meanwhile set the camera to Auto ISO and take a picture. That is what photographic equipment is for. Then use Lightroom to sort it all out ... just like we all did in the darkroom years ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted September 7, 2015 Share #824 Posted September 7, 2015 To give the last posts of speculation some direction. I know Leica wanted it to be one of us.....for fun Looks like a grip and a viewfinder-bump on top This way it becomes a size between a M and S. And where is the R-adapter? Interesting - well spotted Andrew. This doesn't look like a new M. It is more likely the new system camera, or a version of it. A teaser by Dr Kaufmann. Grip, AF lens, EVF built in top middle, size not much bigger than an M. Looks good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted September 8, 2015 Share #825 Posted September 8, 2015 The problem could arise from the (small ?) DIAMETER of the speculated new mount with "thin" register : a certain combination diameter/length could cause vignetting on some WAs It is not the mount that is creating issues with short focal lenths, not with existing lenses (M, R, whatever) anyway. You may want a large mount so you can design near-telecentric lenses with huge rear elements, but that concerns new lenses only. If the combination of a certain M lens with a certain sensor should cause problems, a larger mount wouldn’t change that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted September 8, 2015 Share #826 Posted September 8, 2015 You need this reduction of the register distance with a new system only, if you put the adapter on top of the bayonet - like we know it from the M. But you can -especially when you have a larger diameter - also construct an adapter with retracted M-bayonet. Then the body can be larger, if you need that, but you don't miss the opportunities of using M-lenses. But why would anyone do that? These days, nobody wants to increase the flange distance. The only reason one goes for a long flange distance would be the need to fit a mirror between mount and sensor. But as mirrorless cameras don’t have this requirement, a short flange distance is the way to go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted September 8, 2015 Share #827 Posted September 8, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) ... If the combination of a certain M lens with a certain sensor should cause problems, a larger mount wouldn’t change that. Let's get this into perspective. The little we know is that the new system is full frame, interchangeable AF and full frame. Now, leaving everything else aside, why would Leica make such a system, and not make it compatible with its only current full frame lenses? If it doesn't play well with R and M lenses, then I think someone has lost the plot ... I had assumed that this camera would be a mirrorless version of the R camera, or mirrorless version of the Canikon flagships (D810 or 5Dwhatever), or perhaps even the Sone A7 series (though I'm not really sure that is relevant as the Leica will have a different appeal). The users of Leica full frame cameras are M users - there is no other full frame system camera in Leica's line up. Now, I accept that Leica needs to attract more than the strange old farts who use M cameras, but I can't imagine they will exclude the use of M lenses on its new full frame system ... PS - I see Michael has posted while I was typing. I assume the reference to "short flange distance" does imply the use of M lenses? I appreciate that I am confusing flange distance with register distance ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted September 8, 2015 Share #828 Posted September 8, 2015 The little we know is that the new system is full frame, interchangeable AF and full frame. Now, leaving everything else aside, why would Leica make such a system, and not make it compatible with its only current full frame lenses? If it doesn't play well with R and M lenses, then I think someone has lost the plot ... Yeah, but see above: The mount has nothing to do with that. It all depends on the sensor stack. A larger mount or a longer flange distance would do exactly nothing for achieving better results with existing M lenses. A larger thoat size could help in designing new lenses where such issues don’t exist in the first place, but it had no bearing on existing lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted September 8, 2015 Share #829 Posted September 8, 2015 Oh Gawd, would somebody come out with a MF sized box-Brownie and let us have our way with our own lenses? . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Pandorf Posted September 8, 2015 Share #830 Posted September 8, 2015 Customers will buy the best available option. The Sony is a flawed but still practically the best option. The new Leica is vaporware. No body knows if the rumor is true. But if it were true, it would be easily the best option. Its only vaporware to those that hang out on the camera forums dreaming or wishing for the next magical piece of gear that will in some way make their photography leap to the next level or whatever if they could only have it yesterday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted September 8, 2015 Share #831 Posted September 8, 2015 To give the last posts of speculation some direction. I know Leica wanted it to be one of us.....for fun Looks like a grip and a viewfinder-bump on top This way it becomes a size between a M and S. And where is the R-adapter? Well, I did ask Dr. Kaufmann what camera it is, and he replied something like he can't answer this question Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicaflex Posted September 8, 2015 Share #832 Posted September 8, 2015 Just for the fun of speculation: What could be the name of the next series? I think it's funny, that Leica is using the alphabetical order for a part of it's range. Q R S T. What's next? P or U? Or are they using R again? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkonkkrete Posted September 8, 2015 Share #833 Posted September 8, 2015 Is this speculation? The whole thread is. But this is a brief *summary* of the speculation, pooled across threads, blog posts and statements from people ranging from Leica employees to people reporting what they heard local store representatives saying. I stated it in the context of someone asking whether the new camera was going to be an interchangeable lens Q, which current rumour seems to suggest is unlikely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted September 8, 2015 Share #834 Posted September 8, 2015 Q R S T. What's next? P or U? Or are they using R again? P or U? I don’t think so. Maybe something that harks back to old times but at the same time is not bluntly suggestive of something that, according to the rumours, the hypothetical new system isn’t. This would rule out both R (‘Reflex’, i.e. an SLR) and M (‘Messsucher’, i.e. a rangefinder camera). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert blu Posted September 8, 2015 Share #835 Posted September 8, 2015 New camera, new system, new beginning... A (as autofocus) ... robert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A B Posted September 8, 2015 Share #836 Posted September 8, 2015 L as in Leitz: are we getting closer to the announcement? A Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joakim Posted September 8, 2015 Share #837 Posted September 8, 2015 Well time moves forward so we are getting closer to something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Aurmont Posted September 8, 2015 Share #838 Posted September 8, 2015 In the meantime, the dollar-euro exchange rate discount has been extended until October 31st. I wonder if it will apply to the new M as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted September 8, 2015 Share #839 Posted September 8, 2015 iv? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
freitz Posted September 8, 2015 Share #840 Posted September 8, 2015 To give the last posts of speculation some direction. I know Leica wanted it to be one of us.....for fun Looks like a grip and a viewfinder-bump on top This way it becomes a size between a M and S. And where is the R-adapter? That just looks like an S. However the interesting thing to point out is the position of the Leica Logo. In the same spot as the previous Leica R system on the left side of the lens when looking at it or right side when behind the camera. Could also be an Old R3 with a new grip? Just thought I would add to the speculation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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