mjh Posted July 14, 2015 Share #41 Posted July 14, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) However, for landscape there's never enough dynamic range! For trying to fit a bright sun and the dim ground of twilight in the 13 stops or so of a modern sensor is still difficult. How did photographers ever manage in the days of film when dynamic range was even more limited? Photography in challenging situations is about finding ways of making do with what one has got, not idly waiting for technological progress delivering ready-to-use solutions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mirekti Posted July 14, 2015 Share #42 Posted July 14, 2015 How did photographers ever manage in the days of film when dynamic range was even more limited? Photography in challenging situations is about finding ways of making do with what one has got, not idly waiting for technological progress delivering ready-to-use solutions. Why do we have to look back and compare today's cameras with some old technologies? I admire those guys, and more than few masterpieces were done with something I wouldn't be able to use on a daily basis. I also learned people used to shower once a week, but that's not a good reason not to do it more often nowadays. Yes, it would work, but it can be better, right? Photography has many challenges on its way, and one can have the best technology of the world and make lame photos. That's a fact as well. However, I don't understand why you cannot admit that having more dynamic range would benefit the IQ in certain cases. Nothing personal, just a comment. Dynamic range and better quality at high ISO shouldn't be considered as features used by marketing teams, but something that potentially improves IQ. We have wonderful lenses, RF is great, battery life as well and the next step forward is making a better sensor. ...and maybe a bit smaller body ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted July 14, 2015 Share #43 Posted July 14, 2015 Why do we have to look back and compare today's cameras with some old technologies? I admire those guys, and more than few masterpieces were done with something I wouldn't be able to use on a daily basis. I am one of "those guys" and after looking back at traveling the world with my Kodachrome film I often find with today's cameras that at times it can be difficult to capture images like in the past. I do not blame the cameras, but only the photographer for this difficulty and in my case it is PP that slows me down. http://blog.leica-camera.com/photographers/interviews/louis-foubare-making-every-minute-count/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted July 14, 2015 Share #44 Posted July 14, 2015 Ah NOOOOOOO, it is a leafshutter, I thought it was a focal plane shutter that managed a 1/500 sec sync speed. So there goes a big reason for me to get the new M. I would expect the flash to synch up to 1/2000th if we can accept the TTL not working. An auto-thyristor flash would do the trick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbl Posted July 14, 2015 Share #45 Posted July 14, 2015 Your work is gorgeous. Thanks for sharing it. It's really nice to get a glimpse at other people's lives via their photography. I have two young children so my travel time and capacity are somewhat constrained for the next several years, but I've managed to chronicle my own story of my children growing up. That's proven invaluable to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted July 14, 2015 Share #46 Posted July 14, 2015 However, I don't understand why you cannot admit that having more dynamic range would benefit the IQ in certain cases. Sure, we always want more of everything, and why not? But is the current state of sensor technology imposing any serious limits? I don’t think so. We already enjoy better image quality than any previous generation of photographers did. And as far as technology is concerned, achieving great results has never been easier than it is now. The next model will always offer some improvement over the current one, that much can be taken for granted, but I’m long past the ‘if only camera technology would allow me to do this or that’ stage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirekti Posted July 14, 2015 Share #47 Posted July 14, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) ..., but I’m long past the ‘if only camera technology would allow me to do this or that’ stage. I understand and I might have been misunderstood. As already written in some of the posts above, I am perfectly content with the M240. It's a camera that produces images well above my capabilities as a photographer. I am certainly not only waiting for the mentioned technology to develop i.e. desperately complaining my photos are bad because of it, but only stated more DR and better IQ at higher ISO were something that would make me consider buying a new M. If this doesn't happen, there is nothing in my sight that would make me ditch M240 for new M. I hope this makes sense. Anyhow, I appreciate all the arguments given. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted July 14, 2015 Share #48 Posted July 14, 2015 You make sense and I too hope for better DR and higher ISO capabilities so that I can continue without buying 1.4 or 0.95 lenses like in the past. Whether we get AF and a Q like focusing system is unknown. I frankly hope the next M has an add-on EVF instead of the Q system, but with the Q quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted July 14, 2015 Share #49 Posted July 14, 2015 The new camera will be a medium-format Q type. Howzat for dreaming? . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted July 15, 2015 Share #50 Posted July 15, 2015 That's a hallucination not a dream. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 15, 2015 Share #51 Posted July 15, 2015 A nightmare if you ask me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rramesh Posted July 15, 2015 Share #52 Posted July 15, 2015 What is guaranteed is the appearance of the new M in cinemas on 6 November 2015. And it will have many gadgets from Q. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted July 15, 2015 Share #53 Posted July 15, 2015 The new camera will be a medium-format Q type. Howzat for dreaming? . Maybe Fujifilm... or Sony... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jto555 Posted July 15, 2015 Share #54 Posted July 15, 2015 I would expect the flash to synch up to 1/2000th if we can accept the TTL not working. An auto-thyristor flash would do the trick. I would be delighted with that. With off camera flash I find manual better to use anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mornnb Posted July 15, 2015 Share #55 Posted July 15, 2015 How did photographers ever manage in the days of film when dynamic range was even more limited? Photography in challenging situations is about finding ways of making do with what one has got, not idly waiting for technological progress delivering ready-to-use solutions. Can one not do both? There is always the desire for a better tool that doesn't require one to 'make do'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted July 15, 2015 Author Share #56 Posted July 15, 2015 All I desire; smaller, lighter, faster electronics, better sensor is probably a given. And I assume the bugs some experience will be gone as the Q seems to be pretty solid in this area? Anything else Leica includes like a better LCD or EVF will just be nice. I also assume the faster processor will provide a clearer zoomed in image on the back LCD. I'd just like to have (desire) a better version of what the M already is. I am really happy with my M and have no real reason to upgrade, but I will. I'll trade it in and pony up another $3k just because I enjoy photography so much and enjoy having the latest camera. I admit this freely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted July 15, 2015 Share #57 Posted July 15, 2015 All I desire; smaller, lighter, faster electronics, better sensor is probably a given. And I assume the bugs some experience will be gone as the Q seems to be pretty solid in this area? Anything else Leica includes like a better LCD or EVF will just be nice. I also assume the faster processor will provide a clearer zoomed in image on the back LCD. I'd just like to have (desire) a better version of what the M already is. I am really happy with my M and have no real reason to upgrade, but I will. I'll trade it in and pony up another $3k just because I enjoy photography so much and enjoy having the latest camera. I admit this freely. Refreshing honesty which is often sorely lacking on this site. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted July 15, 2015 Share #58 Posted July 15, 2015 Yes ..... a fool and his money are soon parted ..... I'm in the club as well...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kilmister Posted July 15, 2015 Share #59 Posted July 15, 2015 Me too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpwhite Posted July 15, 2015 Share #60 Posted July 15, 2015 Seems like this must be a very large boat we are in... I wonder if one deck will be sufficient? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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