uhoh7 Posted June 26, 2015 Share #21 Posted June 26, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) M240 will open the whole world of great M and LTM glass. Main issue I think is the size and weight difference. 1 hour at a dealer and you should be able to be sure the 240 is not to heavy for you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mornnb Posted June 26, 2015 Share #22 Posted June 26, 2015 The problem with Leica is once you shoot with one nothing else will give you the same photographic satisfaction despite all the frustrating shortcomings. Be careful what you're getting into. There's no one else who makes anything like it. Canon makes cameras of similar build quality, but they aren't as simple or as compact. And the lenses, not quite as speculator. My 1Dx does... but it is not cheap either I have a 5D Mark III, I mainly use it for very long exposures, sports and night time events. It's not as fun to shoot as the M, and I find I usually get better results with the M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpitt Posted June 27, 2015 Share #23 Posted June 27, 2015 Why not go for second hand and try out a digital M? Going from auto-all to manual focus with rangefinder will take longer than a week. Give it a few months and then decide. If you decide to sell it will cost you a few hundred Euro's at most. Much less than selling the Q to step up…. The money for a Q will buy a M9 or M-E with 50mm Summicron easily. Get it from a good dealer so that you can trust it is in top shape. If you like the M, the 50 cron is a keeper anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJFlowers Posted June 27, 2015 Share #24 Posted June 27, 2015 2 very different pieces of kit...but clearly 2 beautiful machines. If money is not a limiter in this decision, go for the MP 240...more choices as you develop your photography and access to brilliant lenses.... I bought my MP recently and haven't been able to put it down....its a beauty and quirky and helps me take lovely pictures. The joy is in the use of it....it looks a work of art and feels a work of art...and helps you make works go art when you get good enough!! I'm sure the Q is great...but the M is in its own league.... Good luck with whatever you choose to do... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ademora Posted June 27, 2015 Share #25 Posted June 27, 2015 I went through the same thought process, moved from canon dslr's to Fuji x100s then wanted interchangeable lenses so bought a xpro-1 still the draw of a Leica was strong and ended up buying a M240P with 50mm f2 cron not that I have tried it but would have thought the Q was too close to the X100S and you like me will not stop until you get an M. The Fuji's are good but I wish I had saved my money and bought an M earlier Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted June 27, 2015 Share #26 Posted June 27, 2015 The problem with Leica is once you shoot with one nothing else will give you the same photographic satisfaction despite all the frustrating shortcomings. Be careful what you're getting into. I would agree that when you start using Leica M cameras and lenses, all other cameras and lenses will pale in comparison. I'm not sure what is frustrating about them (other than my lack of spare cash to buy whatever M gear I want) or what the alleged shortcomings of the M system are. The M system is what it is; it cannot do every job there is in the world of photography with 100% effectiveness, but then neither can any other system made by any other camera company. Rangefinder photography is a world apart from SLR, 120/220 or large format. In the end, I committed 100% to rangefinder photography, trading in a fairly sizable Nikon SLR system and lens collection and a 5x7 Deardorff view camera to finance my first digital M, the M240. I have no regrets in doing so; in my view, quality always transcends quantity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mornnb Posted June 28, 2015 Share #27 Posted June 28, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Why not go for second hand and try out a digital M? Going from auto-all to manual focus with rangefinder will take longer than a week. Give it a few months and then decide. If you decide to sell it will cost you a few hundred Euro's at most. Much less than selling the Q to step up…. That's not true, an experienced photographer from another camera system who fully understands exposure and focusing will have no problem moving to an M. It didn't take me more than hour to figure it out coming from a DSLR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpitt Posted June 28, 2015 Share #28 Posted June 28, 2015 That's not true, an experienced photographer from another camera system who fully understands exposure and focusing will have no problem moving to an M. It didn't take me more than hour to figure it out coming from a DSLR. You are right. It felt like coming home to my old manual focus Nikon FE from the moment I picked up my first M2 8 years ago. Never looked back. But my statement was that going from a auto-all camera like the iPhone to the M would take longer than a week. I think that is true also. Not sure where the OP is on the upgrade path and if he has full understanding yet... I know a photographer who has about 10 years of experience as a professional wedding and event shooter. He even teaches at the local photo club... Still he was truggling with manual focus when I gave him a 28mm Elmarit R to try it out on his Canon 5D. I even had to point out to him that he did have the possibility to zone focus this lens. Some older skills are lost on this digital/AF generation... It is these things that take more than a week to find out and appreciate IMO. Trying it out for just one week could result in rejecting it for the wrong reasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannybuoy Posted June 30, 2015 Share #29 Posted June 30, 2015 I think I know where you're coming from. I had a similar lust for Leica shortly after reading a review for the X1. I knew the mystical provenance of Leica but had never owned one. The X1 got under my skin and I purchased a 2nd hand one a while after. Flaws aside, I fell in love with the X1 and the 'Leica' feel. I already knew I had to have the flexibility of an M9 and sold all Canon gear to fund it. No turning back. Now I own an M and 35 & 50 Lux Asphs as well as some Konica Hexanons. I adore it. It jsut feels right. It took some time for it to feel right but now it does. Ultimately, I'd say if you have a desire for an M and you settle for a Q. Chances are you'll still want an M and that Q will be sold relatively soon after as you realise you can achieve more with a variety of lenses on an M. However the Q might fulfill your needs and desires. Only way to find out is to try them both! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bobbywise Posted July 1, 2015 Share #31 Posted July 1, 2015 I get most satisfaction using rangefinders, but at times I do like the convenience of AF. If I was in your shoes, I'd probably sell off the M43 gear, keep the X100s, and get into the M system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belle123 Posted July 2, 2015 Share #32 Posted July 2, 2015 The Q is very expensive, IMHO, for a fixed lens camera. Am sure though it's a great camera but you are stuck with a lens that is nice but there are so many better options for the M. If money is no object, go for the M. You will be happier in the long run. But if money is an issue, I would consider the T and find some used m lenses. There is a lot to be said for having an interchangeable lens camera and also working manual. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belle123 Posted July 2, 2015 Share #33 Posted July 2, 2015 Meant to add to my previous reply, all the Leica gear holds it value quite well. You can always start with the T and then trade up. Or, start with the Q. But I think just for the pure joy if manual photography, the T or M is a better choice. Is interesting that B&H puts the Q under Point And Shoot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
freitz Posted July 8, 2015 Share #34 Posted July 8, 2015 M Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CYBORA Posted July 15, 2015 Share #35 Posted July 15, 2015 I want to get the Q, but I am not sure if it will be available till a friend returns from Germany. I am expecting him to bring one to me. So my second option is an M if there is no Q available for me before departure date. My worry about M is the calibration and maintenance issue. How long is the cycle for the calibration generally ? Because , most likely I should send it to Germany for 2 months for the maintenance and this is the only reason I am not getting a Leica rangefinder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 15, 2015 Share #36 Posted July 15, 2015 Rangefinder calibration? Last time I had it done, because I dropped my camera, was ten minutes by Will van Manen. Plus twenty minutes to drive to his place. I would never send a camera away for months for such a simple job. Any reasonably competent independent can do it. It is not very common for an M to go out of calibration anyway, at least not as common by far as reading the internet would have you believe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CYBORA Posted July 15, 2015 Share #37 Posted July 15, 2015 So, it would be better if there is a good service in Turkey , especially in Istanbul. It is really hard to find one here, even the Leica dealer stopped selling Leicas. Everybody I ask about this , tell me only one experienced / trusted person who is good at Leica calibrations and unfortunately he left the city If someone in this forum done it before in Istanbul, I am looking for a solution. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 15, 2015 Share #38 Posted July 15, 2015 FEDEX /DHL/UPS is your friend Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted July 15, 2015 Share #39 Posted July 15, 2015 Very good advice here In my experience fixed lens cameras are ok for a bit, but then become frustrating when you want to shoot another FL (which will happen ...). Then you have to buy a system to fulfil your other FL requirements. Then you sit back and realise that your new system can cover the fixed Lens camera's FL, so you sell it. I have had both the RX1R (which I still consider to be one of the best cameras made) and the X100T. They are both excellent and fun to use but ultimately do not fit into my shooting bag. I mainly jump between 35 and 50 but occasionally go out to 24 and 90. The thing about the M is that I take the best pictures on it. It forces you to understand aperture, speed and focus. This education makes you a better photographer. You can do that with the Q as well but you also have the AF backstop if you need it. Rangefinder focus took me around a week to understand and a month to get really fast on (no see sawing). It's the most accurate focus system I have found and means that whatever camera I use I never use AF for people, it's too much a guessing game compared to Leica MF. The M does require thought but is very rewarding. In terms of cost, it's true the M is more, but the Q is already pretty expensive, so once you are prepared to spend that much you need to think carefully. In an ideal world you would have the M for most of the time and the Q as a grab camera. Particularly for AF indoors with people groups or a family get together. I can't afford this option at the moment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CYBORA Posted July 15, 2015 Share #40 Posted July 15, 2015 Today I had some e-mail conversation with a fellow Leica user and he gave me information about a great service for Leica in Turkey. I have ZM Planar 50 and Voigtlander 35 1.2 and the Q is not still available for me. I already have 2 great M-Mount lenses, so I may get an M in this situation. I used these lenses with A7II before, but I didn't have fun with Sony. Later I may get an interchangeable lens version of Q when available. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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