CheshireCat Posted July 10, 2015 Share #261 Posted July 10, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well, they say that this firmware eliminated some bugs that caused occasional lockups. Which is perfectly fine for a firmware update. Hopefully, all lockups have been fixed. The only problem with this update: it's three years late. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CheshireCat Posted July 10, 2015 Share #262 Posted July 10, 2015 These guys measured 0.4 seconds, but you make a good point. http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/D700/D700A6.HTM Thanks. I cited Nikon's data, as I shoot Canon . Other sources say 0.2s, and it is probably dependend on SD card performance. The point here is that power on time is not due to the hardware, it's the firmware (SD card speed should not matter, if correctly implemented). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ai_Print Posted July 10, 2015 Share #263 Posted July 10, 2015 Is your camera an M240? If so, it was not asleep yet i suspect. Wakeup and startup times were the same when i measured them last year e.g. 1.7 second with your Sandisk 64GB card provided it is new or formatted once in a while with SD Formatter. Yes, 240. I just turned the camera on and then took a shower. From the time I touched the button and fired a frame it was no more than a second. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 10, 2015 Share #264 Posted July 10, 2015 Are you sure you did not disable the sleep mode? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted July 10, 2015 Share #265 Posted July 10, 2015 Which is perfectly fine for a firmware update. Hopefully, all lockups have been fixed. The only problem with this update: it's three years late. There is always a problem, isn't there? Even when Leica comes through with a fix of what has been described here as the most annoying problem. Also, it was the September of 2013 (not three years ago) when early adopters of the M240 started to post about problems with the lock-ups and it was latter that we figured out that it was a heat problem (which was fixed in FW update), but the lock-ups continued for some. That was more like 18 months ago, not three years. Compare that to my Sony RX1 that has never had a FW update for its lock-up problems that can cause you to lose all of your pictures on the card. I'd say Leica is moving in the right direction and, for me, Leica is becoming less frustrating as they continue to become a more solvent company. To be honest, I never thought Leica would introduce a fix for the lock-ups. I just figured they had moved on to the next generation M. This was a fantastic surprise for me as an owner of the M240. Although, I could have hoped Leica released it earlier, I am none the less impressed that they got around to addressing our concerns here. Rick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ai_Print Posted July 10, 2015 Share #266 Posted July 10, 2015 Are you sure you did not disable the sleep mode? Set at 2 minutes ( Auto Power ). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 10, 2015 Share #267 Posted July 10, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Then i don't understand but congrats for your fast body. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannybuoy Posted July 10, 2015 Share #268 Posted July 10, 2015 So this new firmware. What a terrible mess. My M is now exhibiting even more bugs than before. Turned on LV in the evf and had a black screen. Zooming in during playback is slow. No gradual zoom. Just pause, pause zoomed in. Making the thumbnails smaller resulted in no photos just white squares with ?s that slowly loaded in. And finally there was some vertical magenta blocks of colour glitching in the evf. Not sure if this is all related to my SD card or not. If not then it's a bloody shambles of an update. On the positive side I didn't have any lockups so guess they are true to their update notes... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 10, 2015 Share #269 Posted July 10, 2015 None of the above I fear... Although, I had to remove the lens cap to get rid of a black screen.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsolomon Posted July 10, 2015 Share #270 Posted July 10, 2015 just completed the firmware upgrade, granted i'm somewhat technical but i find the directions and process simple. i also saved my profiles and then reloaded afterwards. here is an idea they could possibly consider in the future ........ connect the camera to the computer via USB - there seems to be some connection under the bottom plate , then go to a website , fill in a page asking if you have profiles to save, or some other questions perhaps ..... then let "them do it for you". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kilmister Posted July 10, 2015 Share #271 Posted July 10, 2015 just completed the firmware upgrade, granted i'm somewhat technical but i find the directions and process simple. i also saved my profiles and then reloaded afterwards. here is an idea they could possibly consider in the future ........ connect the camera to the computer via USB - there seems to be some connection under the bottom plate , then go to a website , fill in a page asking if you have profiles to save, or some other questions perhaps ..... then let "them do it for you". Sound logic and sensible ideas. How refreshing, rather than the usual moaning and complaining someone has put forward a positive suggestion. I like it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted July 10, 2015 Share #272 Posted July 10, 2015 There is always a problem, isn't there? Even when Leica comes through with a fix of what has been described here as the most annoying problem. Also, it was the September of 2013 (not three years ago) when early adopters of the M240 started to post about problems with the lock-ups Well, the M was presented in September 2012, but it was available a few months later. Fair enough. Problems have been publicly known since June 2013, but "thanks" also to several forum members, the problem was dismissed and the solution delayed for more than 2 years. As an example, you may remember this guy... here's just one of his posts: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/207802-diglloyd-leica-m-typ240-unreliable/?p=2361838 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 10, 2015 Share #273 Posted July 10, 2015 just completed the firmware upgrade, granted i'm somewhat technical but i find the directions and process simple. i also saved my profiles and then reloaded afterwards. [...] Could not be simpler indeed. As usual... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rscheffler Posted July 10, 2015 Share #274 Posted July 10, 2015 Well, the FW documentation states it's also bug fixes for live view and video lock-ups. I rarely have lock-ups during live view. So we'll see how things go. One weird live view quirk that happened for the first time ever, last week, was the camera settings info bar at the top of the live view display suddenly appeared straight through the middle of the screen, across the image! Turning live view off and on again didn't fix it, IIRC, so I skipped a couple steps and pulled the battery. just completed the firmware upgrade, granted i'm somewhat technical but i find the directions and process simple. i also saved my profiles and then reloaded afterwards. here is an idea they could possibly consider in the future ........ connect the camera to the computer via USB - there seems to be some connection under the bottom plate , then go to a website , fill in a page asking if you have profiles to save, or some other questions perhaps ..... then let "them do it for you". I guess it would be possible. My concern would be how the update is handled should the internet connection drop midway through. It would make sense to download it fully to the camera, then process it in the camera. Though I'm not keen about 'dialing home' to perform a camera update. Sounds too much like the hoop jumping I've heard is involved with Sony FW updates, where I think the camera has to be connected to the computer and updated via a Sony app...? I would prefer an option as it exists now to do it offline, all in-camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsolomon Posted July 11, 2015 Share #275 Posted July 11, 2015 I guess it would be possible. My concern would be how the update is handled should the internet connection drop midway through. It would make sense to download it fully to the camera, then process it in the camera. Though I'm not keen about 'dialing home' to perform a camera update. Sounds too much like the hoop jumping I've heard is involved with Sony FW updates, where I think the camera has to be connected to the computer and updated via a Sony app...? I would prefer an option as it exists now to do it offline, all in-camera. Any good app should be able to handle basic errors like "dropped connections" to restart, there are also other issues/methods to consider. it could be made reliable and solid. Afterall, we do mobile banking , mobile stock trades , etc, i believe we could do electronic Leica firmware updates. The truth is from a file perspective the firmware file is quite small and a restart would likely only take extra seconds ... its doable. Perhaps it's an option for those who prefer one method or another. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted July 11, 2015 Share #276 Posted July 11, 2015 There is always a problem, isn't there? Even when Leica comes through with a fix of what has been described here as the most annoying problem. Also, it was the September of 2013 (not three years ago) when early adopters of the M240 started to post about problems with the lock-ups and it was latter that we figured out that it was a heat problem (which was fixed in FW update), but the lock-ups continued for some. That was more like 18 months ago, not three years. Compare that to my Sony RX1 that has never had a FW update for its lock-up problems that can cause you to lose all of your pictures on the card. I'd say Leica is moving in the right direction and, for me, Leica is becoming less frustrating as they continue to become a more solvent company. To be honest, I never thought Leica would introduce a fix for the lock-ups. I just figured they had moved on to the next generation M. This was a fantastic surprise for me as an owner of the M240. Although, I could have hoped Leica released it earlier, I am none the less impressed that they got around to addressing our concerns here. Rick I agree entirely. I wasn't expecting any updates, and had accepted I'd live with the odd lockup. Leica at first gave me the choice of sending the camera in to have the shutter replaced (which may or may not have fixed the problem) or to wait for the firmware. As the firmware is specific to the camera (not the M(240) firmware) I decided to wait. A few days later, Leica asked to have the camera back - I'm rather hoping for the issue to be sorted. It's more than I'd hoped for, to be honest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffry Abt Posted July 11, 2015 Share #277 Posted July 11, 2015 takes forever...I truly am amazed! We have become so jaded. Lockups are something altogether different... they should each one be fixed! Leica should hunt down their causes with bloodhounds! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 11, 2015 Share #278 Posted July 11, 2015 I agree entirely. I wasn't expecting any updates, and had accepted I'd live with the odd lockup. Leica at first gave me the choice of sending the camera in to have the shutter replaced (which may or may not have fixed the problem) or to wait for the firmware. As the firmware is specific to the camera (not the M(240) firmware) I decided to wait. A few days later, Leica asked to have the camera back - I'm rather hoping for the issue to be sorted. It's more than I'd hoped for, to be honest. Interesting. This is the first firm indication that the lockups are a software-hardware interaction, which would explain why some users have them and others don't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted July 11, 2015 Share #279 Posted July 11, 2015 The socket under the baseplate could have many marvellous uses - electronic cable release (including interval timer), tethering, picture download, flash trigger, firmware update, ... Unfortunately Leica only makes one gadget which connects through it and that performs its main function poorly and costs 800€. I suppose there are an influential group of users who don't want these sort of functions to be natively available on the M. (Although if that were true, they would have prohibited the movie button too; but that's the beauty of conspiracy theories - they don't have to be comprehensive.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manoleica Posted July 11, 2015 Share #280 Posted July 11, 2015 Interesting. This is the first firm indication that the lockups are a software-hardware interaction, which would explain why some users have them and others don't. I have said all along, when designed Leica probably sourced All the components from one company, once designed and ready for production they probably sourced from a variety of companies. At some point these mismatched components decided that for whatever reason voltages and or signals did not comply with their designed parameters. Result Lockups. The recent FW update will or will not cure the underlying issue. Time will tell.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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