IkarusJohn Posted June 4, 2015 Share #381 Posted June 4, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) I hate to cool the flames here, but if this camera has a max 50,000 ISO, 10 frames per second, +1 shutter speed (a assuming that is some sort of very long exposure setting) and EVF only, how will it deal with sensor heat? I agree, it does look very nice, and just maybe it will be a benchmark camera, rather than a little, shall we say, nostalgic? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AlanJW Posted June 4, 2015 Share #382 Posted June 4, 2015 If you make it down to NZ, Al, the least I can do is pour you something better than coffee (though the coffee is very good) Deal. It will be better than coffee. But if you lose, will you come to New York? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted June 4, 2015 Share #383 Posted June 4, 2015 Deal. It will be better than coffee. But if you lose, will you come to New York? I love New York - any excuse. Maybe I buy the camera on the way! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanJW Posted June 4, 2015 Share #384 Posted June 4, 2015 What could that "FF" be on the top? Ability to switch between full frame and APS? What else could it be? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreasAM Posted June 4, 2015 Share #385 Posted June 4, 2015 What could that "FF" be on the top? Ability to switch between full frame and APS? What else could it be? It states "OFF" like on all camera's. Image isn't really that good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted June 4, 2015 Share #386 Posted June 4, 2015 According to the picture it is fixed no doubt about it. Likely controls on the barrel of the lens:- Aperture Ring Focus Ring On/Off Switch or AF/MF selector or even ISO selector It appears control on the barrel next to the body is for MACRO https://www.facebook.com/npcphoto2011/photos/pcb.385144825026940/385144778360278/?type=1&theater Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanJW Posted June 4, 2015 Share #387 Posted June 4, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) It states "OFF" like on all camera's. Image isn't really that good. DOH, of course. I missed the O. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpwhite Posted June 4, 2015 Share #388 Posted June 4, 2015 Yes. The sensor the M240 is using has a physical limit of ISO 3200. Which is pushed in firmware to ISO 6400. So, to deliver ISO 50000 it will need to be either an updated CMOSIS sensor or a Sony sensor. Given that it will need to do autofocus through the sensor (probably by using phase AF sensors if best in class AF is desired) and that it doesn't need to handle the extreme ray angles of M lenses, means that I'm guessing it's an off the shelf Sony sensor. Using such a mass produced sensor would also be a positive thing in terms of keeping the unit costs lower. But wouldn't the ray angle for the fixed 28mm on the Q be even more extreme that an M, with its shutter curtain, etc.? For instance, the RX-1 places the rear element just a few mm from the sensor. That means the radius from the lens is even wider at the focal plane, right?, but just a much smaller image circle? I agree with comments here and other threads that the Q could serve as a critical testbed for Leica development of an EVF body. Perhaps Leica makes a couple of Q models, establishes market reaction and then releases a Q M-P that has an M mount and Hermes body covering. This could be coordinated with the M360, which will be a production version of the M60 in a smaller and lighter chassis. I do believe the lines for either would be long...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kilmister Posted June 4, 2015 Share #389 Posted June 4, 2015 In summary, from what we have been told, we have a camera with a fixed focus 28mm lens ... and lots of faffing around with sensors, ISO, EVF, etc. Maybe I've missed the point, but unless the lens can be changed (or zoomed) then I might as well be offered a very expensive Kodak Brownie. Please tell me if I am wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mornnb Posted June 4, 2015 Share #390 Posted June 4, 2015 But wouldn't the ray angle for the fixed 28mm on the Q be even more extreme that an M, with its shutter curtain, etc.? For instance, the RX-1 places the rear element just a few mm from the sensor. That means the radius from the lens is even wider at the focal plane, right?, but just a much smaller image circle? It means the lens would have been designed with the digital sensor in mind and they would have been able to minimise the ray angles. Note that the Voigtlander 15mm III has a rear element quite deep in the body, however the ray angles have been greatly minimised by increasing the total length of the lens, to improve performance on the Sony A7. So it can not be the case that a near rear element automatically means extreme ray angles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 4, 2015 Author Share #391 Posted June 4, 2015 In summary, from what we have been told, we have a camera with a fixed focus 28mm lens ... and lots of faffing around with sensors, ISO, EVF, etc. Maybe I've missed the point, but unless the lens can be changed (or zoomed) then I might as well be offered a very expensive Kodak Brownie. Please tell me if I am wrong. You're wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted June 5, 2015 Share #392 Posted June 5, 2015 Given that many photographers would prefer e.g. a FF camera with a 35mm or 50mm lens I'm wondering if the camera so far revealed is a bit of a tease to stir up some comments … and if Leica might have other versions available with fixed prime 35mm and 50mm lenses? dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted June 5, 2015 Share #393 Posted June 5, 2015 In summary, from what we have been told, we have a camera with a fixed focus 28mm lens ... and lots of faffing around with sensors, ISO, EVF, etc. Maybe I've missed the point, but unless the lens can be changed (or zoomed) then I might as well be offered a very expensive Kodak Brownie. Please tell me if I am wrong. I think you're right, but it's a Brownie that: is not in a box, but a very nice, compact Leica body has (hopefully) a state of the art Leica designed digital sensor can take individual images at varying ISO settings (rather than one ISO setting for the whole role of film), and very high ISOs has an electronic view finder can take continuous images without having to wind the film on is fitted with a (hopefully) perfectly matched state of the art Autofocus 28 Summilux lens can take video allows you to review your images as they are taken, then download them onto a computer rather than faffing about processing film and getting it printed Otherwise, it's exactly like a Brownie ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted June 5, 2015 Share #394 Posted June 5, 2015 But wouldn't the ray angle for the fixed 28mm on the Q be even more extreme that an M, with its shutter curtain, etc.? For instance, the RX-1 places the rear element just a few mm from the sensor. That means the radius from the lens is even wider at the focal plane, right?, but just a much smaller image circle? The distance of the rear element from the sensor does not imply spooky design issues. Don't worry. Leica engineers know a couple things about lens design Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rramesh Posted June 5, 2015 Share #395 Posted June 5, 2015 I have to say, from design aesthetics, the rear is quite awful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mornnb Posted June 5, 2015 Share #396 Posted June 5, 2015 A small compact full frame camera with a 28mm lens. I'm going to guess the target audience is, street photographers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xspider Posted June 5, 2015 Share #397 Posted June 5, 2015 So all in all a nice camera. I had the RX 1 and I really liked it. The Q features a faster lens and I assume better high ISO capabilities, so we probably see up to +3 EV compared to the RX1. I also like the wider lens, but that is very personal. At the end I sold the RX1 as it wasn't way smaller then my M with the Summicron and the AF was pretty slow, so not really faster or more reliable than foucssing with the RF of the M. IQ was pretty much on par. Let's see how AF speed is with the Q, but given Leicas Performance with AF implementations so far I fear that we don't see a super fast and accurate AF System. And then comes the premium price, so I might pass this one and wait for the new M. Let's hope this is as much of a test for Leica than the RX1 was for Sony and we see some of the improvements in the new M. I wouldn't mind a new M with +2 EV ISO and a great EVF next to the RF (probably already built in?). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted June 5, 2015 Share #398 Posted June 5, 2015 I think you're right, but it's a Brownie that: is not in a box, but a very nice, compact Leica body has (hopefully) a state of the art Leica designed digital sensor can take individual images at varying ISO settings (rather than one ISO setting for the whole role of film), and very high ISOs has an electronic view finder can take continuous images without having to wind the film on is fitted with a (hopefully) perfectly matched state of the art Autofocus 28 Summilux lens can take video allows you to review your images as they are taken, then download them onto a computer rather than faffing about processing film and getting it printed Otherwise, it's exactly like a Brownie ... Agree...apart the red evidenced assertion : leica hasn't any capability to design a sensor (not to speak of making, of course) : they must rely on providers (for which they are a "small" customer) and be smart to make the best match from what providers offer and their knowledge on how to project an image on a certain surface... (and in this they HAVE big capabilities... ) And... where is it written it's Autofocus ? I haven't read all the sites which deal about the Q... but the "unofficial-preliminary" specs do declare "focus peaking" and no more... btw, I think that they do well making it a no AF camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted June 5, 2015 Share #399 Posted June 5, 2015 Given that many photographers would prefer e.g. a FF camera with a 35mm or 50mm lens I'm wondering if the camera so far revealed is a bit of a tease to stir up some comments … and if Leica might have other versions available with fixed prime 35mm and 50mm lenses? dunk I thknk that if they will be satisfied with sales, a possible follow up could be a very luminous 50 (not 0,95, of course... , but 1 to 1,2...) ... with a good EVF and the prospected 50.000 ISO could be really advertised as a compact "night camera" , much quieter and lighter than , say, a DSLR with a high aperture 50 (I suppose Ni/CA have lenses in the 1,2 range) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted June 5, 2015 Share #400 Posted June 5, 2015 And... where is it written it's Autofocus ? I haven't read all the sites which deal about the Q... but the "unofficial-preliminary" specs do declare "focus peaking" and no more... btw, I think that they do well making it a no AF camera. It's written on the lens Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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