satureyes Posted March 7, 2015 Author Share #41 Posted March 7, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Ok so done some 'real world' testing with my kid/wife this afternoon.. Seems the 35mm lux has less of this issue - there is still a difference at close focus range but not as massively noticeable as the 50 lux. I'd say that the 50 'lux is problematic - at close range the difference is very clear to me. I've uploaded the 100% crops of the eyes to a gallery on my website - the first one sequentially is RF followed by EVF. Please pardon the lack of science in this - but you can (I hope) clearly see the difference between the RF and EVF shots. The final 2 shots in the series were further away, probably around the 1.5/2m mark and show less difference - if at all. The link is: satureyes photography | Leica test shots Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jankap Posted March 7, 2015 Share #42 Posted March 7, 2015 I assume those measurements are in feet? Hello These are measurements showing the sharpest part in the picture. Example 4157 (copy of my computer display). Jan http://cdn.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/images/attach/jpg.gif Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/241956-unlucky-or-poor-quality-control/?do=findComment&comment=2776428'>More sharing options...
satureyes Posted March 7, 2015 Author Share #43 Posted March 7, 2015 HelloThese are measurements showing the sharpest part in the picture. Example 4157 (copy of my computer display). Jan http://cdn.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/images/attach/jpg.gif Ah ok - well in ALL the shots - the focus was on (or meant to be on!) the second largest zero. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jankap Posted March 7, 2015 Share #44 Posted March 7, 2015 With the EVF you are coming close. It is difficult to give you a recommendation. Perhaps I would visit somebody like Wil Manen (Netherlands). There you can stay and see, what they do. Perhaps Leica also offers an inspection during a visit. An inspection, no repair. You should take all suspected parts with you. It is interesting namely, that all focus points are behind the "0". Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
satureyes Posted March 7, 2015 Author Share #45 Posted March 7, 2015 With the EVF you are coming close. It is difficult to give you a recommendation. Perhaps I would visit somebody like Wil Manen (Netherlands). There you can stay and see, what they do. Perhaps Leica also offers an inspection during a visit. An inspection, no repair. You should take all suspected parts with you. It is interesting namely, that all focus points are behind the "0". Jan Well.. If Leica are prepared to pay for me to visit Wetzlar for the day while I take my kit and get it all aligned.. then I am happy to do this! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Martin Posted March 7, 2015 Share #46 Posted March 7, 2015 Is that a serious reply? And the 7 M lenses I own? Sell those back to Leica? Sorry - but I'm trying to troubleshoot and perhaps understand what I can/should expect from the kit - it's not as straight forward as it is when one is a keen hobbyist rather than a working/jobbing photographer. It was actually a bit tongue in cheek, but to a degree shows that Leica can rely on the fact that you are heavily committed. Had you been a new customer then you may well have taken this option. It's an indication as to what newcomers may face, and why Leica might struggle, as they appear a to be,as Shake ups at this level might not be happening if all was going well? I hope you reach a satisfactory conclusion, but it should never had become this poor an experience for you initially . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
satureyes Posted March 7, 2015 Author Share #47 Posted March 7, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) So to update the story about the camera/lens non focus issues.. I used the 50mm 1.4, then 35mm 1.4 then 90mm f2. All latest lenses. I shot the targe (using the largest zero) t at the mininum focus distance, then 1m, 1.5m and 2m at the widest aperture using self timer and tripod. If you click not the picture - you can see the settings detailed. satureyes photography | More Leica Tests Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted March 7, 2015 Share #48 Posted March 7, 2015 Your 50mm is off. All the rest are okay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
satureyes Posted March 7, 2015 Author Share #49 Posted March 7, 2015 Your 50mm is off. All the rest are okay. Yes - I think that shows it very clearly - Oddly though the whole of my other camera was so off that it resulted in a replacement from Leica. I am a little calmer now that it seems to be the 50 as the culprit - but my other camera was totally shot - I wonder if it affected the lens mechanism somehow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 7, 2015 Share #50 Posted March 7, 2015 The 50 Summilux asph is a notorious lens in this respect. I too had a misfocusing one straight out of the box. In general, reading the forum, the number of complaints regarding misfocusing cameras is clearly less on the 240, fortunately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted March 7, 2015 Share #51 Posted March 7, 2015 Yes - I think that shows it very clearly - Oddly though the whole of my other camera was so off that it resulted in a replacement from Leica. I am a little calmer now that it seems to be the 50 as the culprit - but my other camera was totally shot - I wonder if it affected the lens mechanism somehow. That is possible but I think unlikely. I have a question: Were these tests made from a tripod or hand held? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted March 7, 2015 Share #52 Posted March 7, 2015 The 50 Summilux asph is a notorious lens in this respect. I too had a misfocusing one straight out of the box. In general, reading the forum, the number of complaints regarding misfocusing cameras is clearly less on the 240, fortunately. Could that be explained by the 240's place in time so that most erring 50 Summiluxes were repaired by the time the 240 came out? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenshacker Posted March 7, 2015 Share #53 Posted March 7, 2015 They should be able to straighten this out now that you have identified the culprit. "In the day" would have meant a trip to the local camera shop for the technician to do, more like bringing a car in for a tune-up. Now- a trip to Wetzlar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
satureyes Posted March 8, 2015 Author Share #54 Posted March 8, 2015 That is possible but I think unlikely. I have a question: Were these tests made from a tripod or hand held? Tripod and self timer. None of what you see is camera shake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
satureyes Posted March 8, 2015 Author Share #55 Posted March 8, 2015 They should be able to straighten this out now that you have identified the culprit. "In the day" would have meant a trip to the local camera shop for the technician to do, more like bringing a car in for a tune-up. Now- a trip to Wetzlar. Agreed. Let's see what I hear on Monday. Apparently Dr Kaufmann has promised me a solution by then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 8, 2015 Share #56 Posted March 8, 2015 Could that be explained by the 240's place in time so that most erring 50 Summiluxes were repaired by the time the 240 came out? That- and the fact that Leica seems to have tightened up on focus accuracy during production, in conjunction with tighter tolerances in the rangefinder mechanism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerndReini Posted March 8, 2015 Share #57 Posted March 8, 2015 What seems to be the feel of the thread coming out of conversations is that I can't expect perfection, and to get close I have to restrict myself to shooting within parameters which may or may not be always totally practical. What you can expect is a camera lens combination that will give you sharp photographs in practical use. What this means to me is that if you take a portrait of someone with your 50lux and focus on the eyes, the eyes should be in focus. If the ears are in focus, then send in your lens and have it fixed. Please everyone, stop obsessing about which section of the "0" is in sharpest focus at minimum distance on one of those stupid charts. The fact that you have all these lenses tells me that you never had an issue with them when you shot film. I think your 50 may have a problem, the rest is just pixel peeping. So you can either as one poster said "walk away" or enjoy a wonderful camera system that gives many users consistently great results. I am not downplaying your dilemma, but I would love to see what you thought of my camera and lens if you ran it through your tests. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
satureyes Posted March 8, 2015 Author Share #58 Posted March 8, 2015 What you can expect is a camera lens combination that will give you sharp photographs in practical use. What this means to me is that if you take a portrait of someone with your 50lux and focus on the eyes, the eyes should be in focus. If the ears are in focus, then send in your lens and have it fixed. Please everyone, stop obsessing about which section of the "0" is in sharpest focus at minimum distance on one of those stupid charts. The fact that you have all these lenses tells me that you never had an issue with them when you shot film. I think your 50 may have a problem, the rest is just pixel peeping. So you can either as one poster said "walk away" or enjoy a wonderful camera system that gives many users consistently great results. I am not downplaying your dilemma, but I would love to see what you thought of my camera and lens if you ran it through your tests. Sorry to jump in but I think you may have missed some of the back story. A couple of weeks ago I had the unenviable task of explaining to my client why all their shots were completely out of focus. Now over the last week or so it's tramspired that it was a combination of the M240 being completely out of alighment- and now after these basic tests - seems that the lens was too. Together it was a lethal recipe for a screwed up job and much humble pie eating with my client. I never pixel peep. This scenario has only come to light for me since my botched shoot. So. My original M had been to Germany 4 times in 18 months. Twice for calibration and a couple of other trips for something else. Leica kindly decided that I should have a replacement. Last week I collected the replacement and then shocked to see the effects of bad calibration again. The next day I returned the camera andto payed another brand new one (the one I have now) and after 2 hours in the Leica store decided that I would test more and decide then what the plan would be. I wasn't happy with the results I was getting after 2 hours with a technician. So this isn't something I've decided to do because I was bored on a Saturday. It's something that has become necessary because I can't afford another f-up with another client like what happened the other week. Try explaining to them about 'tolerances'. With all your help I think I've isolated the problem now - trust me I want to be out shooting and enjoying the camera and glass just as much as you guys do but you can understand now my anxiety about using this for my pro work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted March 8, 2015 Share #59 Posted March 8, 2015 A couple of weeks ago I had the unenviable task of explaining to my client why all their shots were completely out of focus. Did you tell him that you chose to use a camera you had not tested or even used casually? That one is on you. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted March 8, 2015 Share #60 Posted March 8, 2015 Tripod and self timer. None of what you see is camera shake. I didn't think it was camera shake. In the case of the 35 I thought it might ne back and forth motion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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