jmr237 Posted January 8, 2015 Share #201 Posted January 8, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) You don't get it do you. Hi Steve. I realize you are just trying to make your point. But this negative comment adds nothing to your argument. We are looking at the same facts and coming to different conclusions. That happens in life. It does not mean that one person “doesn’t get it”. Disagreeing with someone does not give you license to insult them. This type of communication degrades the quality of the forum and hinders productive conversation. As a relative newcomer, I enjoy this forum because—for the most part—the discussion and tone is positive and respectful. I don’t read other forums because I find the negative tone and personal attacks to be depressing. I encourage you to focus your replies and arguments on the substance of what people say, not on their character, intelligence, level of "getting it", etc. You are never going to convince someone of your point by calling them stupid. Your chance of successfully making your point will be strongest if you focus on the substance and the facts, not on personal charges or accusations. Anyone can make rude comments. As a prolific and long-time member (and a sponsor), you should hold yourself to a higher standard. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wattsy Posted January 8, 2015 Author Share #202 Posted January 8, 2015 Sensor size aside, if the current S body can be retrofitted to 120 film there is little cost to Leica relative to potential gain. I agree there is no way they would develop a brand new body for 120 film or larger, didn't they just buy a camera company that does that, but a refitting of the S would make sense if for no other Eason than broadening the base of buyers for S lenses. Kind of like the razor blade model Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of a new medium format film camera that could make use of these lenses, even if I will not be able to afford to buy it. Only the other day I was looking at a photo in the S forum discussion about the 45mm lens and wondering how these lenses might work on film. However, I just don't think the pay-off in "broadening the base of buyers" for the S lenses would warrant the R&D involved in developing a film camera for these lenses. It isn't necessarily going to be a simple task to retrofit a 120 film capability to the existing S body design, assuming it is even possible (note my previous point about the probable limited image circle of the S lenses). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted January 8, 2015 Share #203 Posted January 8, 2015 Hi Steve. I realize you are just trying to make your point. But this negative comment adds nothing to your argument. We are looking at the same facts and coming to different conclusions. That happens in life. It does not mean that one person “doesn’t get it”. Disagreeing with someone does not give you license to insult them. This type of communication degrades the quality of the forum and hinders productive conversation. As a relative newcomer, I enjoy this forum because—for the most part—the discussion and tone is positive and respectful. I don’t read other forums because I find the negative tone and personal attacks to be depressing. I encourage you to focus your replies and arguments on the substance of what people say, not on their character, intelligence, level of "getting it", etc. You are never going to convince someone of your point by calling them stupid. Your chance of successfully making your point will be strongest if you focus on the substance and the facts, not on personal charges or accusations. Anyone can make rude comments. As a prolific and long-time member (and a sponsor), you should hold yourself to a higher standard. This is a great post (not aiming at you here, Steve) I just think it's true and well put. I genuinely wish I could hold myself to the standards expressed above, and I usually feel horrible remorse when I don't (which is often). Well said! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted January 8, 2015 Share #204 Posted January 8, 2015 Well put Wattsy, I guess we just don't know what it would entail to turn an S body into a camera for 120 film. I agree with you that if it is a lot, it isn't worth the effort. Guess we will know for certain if there is no analog S by the next photokina :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 8, 2015 Share #205 Posted January 8, 2015 ... there is no analog S by the next photokina :-) Lomo blew on an old 35mm camera for 6x6cm format. LC-A 120 – Lomography Shop That will never happen to Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winedemonium Posted January 9, 2015 Share #206 Posted January 9, 2015 I just got back from two weeks in New Zealand. It was a big family gathering, and ultimately I shot a lot with an RX1R, which proved a good performer for quick family snapshots. One day I will probably sell that camera though, or it will clap out beyond warranty and repair. That's fine. To me it is simply a very good photographic tool, and I will get a very large number of frames from it. (Not knocking it at all). I only shot maybe two rolls with my M-A, but I felt a tingle of excitement as I did. I used my 28mm Summicron exclusively, and I have to tell you that the clear, all-the-way-round 28mm frame line made a difference compared to the M6 I used to own. I liked that. It's a minor point I know. The real thrill was that this brand new camera will gain scratches and wear, at some point require service, and maybe even repair. But I know it will be a camera for life. A great investment. Over the past couple of days I have been thinking again about digital Ms. There are currently some incredibly good deals going on M240s, and even the MM has come down quite a lot. And then my dealer sent me a note about some M9s he has just got it - bodies that Leica had received for repair, and 'upgraded' those customers to M240s. They have replaced sensors and are priced very attractively. So, I have been pondering all this. Perhaps I will pull the trigger on something. I'm tempted. The problem is that I have niggles with all the digital Ms, as much as I admire them, and as much as they are very practical - especially for travel. I then picked up my M-A again, played with it, and though 'this really is the perfect little camera. There is nothing on this I would change.' The whole GAS attack left me all the more assured that the M-A purchase was a good one (for me). 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmr237 Posted January 9, 2015 Share #207 Posted January 9, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) The whole GAS attack left me all the more assured that the M-A purchase was a good one (for me). Interesting observations, thanks for sharing. As a fellow GAS victim, I have similar thoughts. I am pretty sure I am going to get the M-A, but the discount on the M is tempting. Your point about the RX1 is well taken. To extend your point further, just because one has a film M doesn't mean that he or she can't supplement that with a digital camera (Leica or otherwise). These are not mutually exclusive options. In fact, you could argue that an RX1 plus M-A makes for a compact and versatile combo. Sometimes you use digital, sometimes you use film. Different applications for different situations. All that said, I'm glad to hear that your choice was reassured when you picked up the M-A. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrozenInTime Posted January 9, 2015 Share #208 Posted January 9, 2015 What's all this nonsense of a film S camera doing in this thread ? The ideal medium format film compliment to the M-A exists - the all mechanical meter-less 500/501 Hasselblads . 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB23 Posted January 9, 2015 Share #209 Posted January 9, 2015 What's all this nonsense of a film S camera doing in this thread ?The ideal medium format film compliment to the M-A exists - the all mechanical meter-less 500/501 Hasselblads . The SLR Mega mirror slap clunk is not a good complement to a Leica, IMO. A Rolleiflex, maybe? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winedemonium Posted January 9, 2015 Share #210 Posted January 9, 2015 ...you could argue that an RX1 plus M-A makes for a compact and versatile combo. Sometimes you use digital, sometimes you use film. Different applications for different situations... Thanks jmr237. When travelling I think in terms of what will fit into my Billingham Hadley Small. The RX1/R is quite diminutive and a great performer. It's a very comfortable all-day-long camera, like the M-A. I had a light meter in my bag, but in the end used a light meter app on my phone. Looking at the results I think this was good enough. I'm trying to guess the metering prior to using the meter, and I am finding it is making me take more notice of relative luminance in scenes. It's therefore a good teacher (of course you can do this with any camera, but like the Ms of old, with the M-A one is forced to). The M-A with the 28 Cron was therefore the perfect combination when we were in a family group on an old steamer ship cruise on a lake. People were sitting, the light was relatively even, and I had time. I got some nice shots. And having set up the aperture and shutter speed consciously and focused, I could then wait for the moments I want to capture. As an M lover, I like that the RX1R has a manual aperture diaphragm on the lens, and the camera has solved three digital M headaches for me - 1. fixed lens-sensor combo has resolved the issue of dirty M240 sensor 2. leaf shutter is exquisitely silent (compared to my Monochrom) 3. For travel, sometimes I want close ups. RX1R will go to c20cm quickly and easily. It's great, but I miss the M feeling, and my re-kindled love for the M via the M-A has left me hankering for a digital M (having sold mine a few months ago). With current HK prices I could get an M240 for US$1000 more than I got selling mine last year, or buy a new Monochrom for the same as I sold mine for. Gotta love Leica for that! So, who knows. All the digital M options are floating around my head right now. For sure though I feel 100% happy with the black M-A. It's a very new look to a very old design, and is very pure in look, stealthy, with very fine nuances, like the "r" for rewind", and the two red dots on the rewind crank offering subtle detail. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80_20 Posted January 9, 2015 Share #211 Posted January 9, 2015 60 Years on the table: Klaus 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB23 Posted January 9, 2015 Share #212 Posted January 9, 2015 The different finish of the rewind knob is really bothering me. Looks cheap to death. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted January 9, 2015 Author Share #213 Posted January 9, 2015 (edited) If you are judging based on the photo in the previous post, it is just a reflection. The rewind knob on the silver chrome M-A is exactly the same as the silver MP one. iPhone photo of it below: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited January 9, 2015 by wattsy 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/236926-i-love-my-m-a/?do=findComment&comment=2744487'>More sharing options...
250swb Posted January 9, 2015 Share #214 Posted January 9, 2015 Anyone can make rude comments. As a prolific and long-time member (and a sponsor), you should hold yourself to a higher standard. Is this the Internet equivalent of holding up a crucifix and hanging garlic round your neck? Nevertheless, my sincere apologies for suggesting you 'don't get it' it wasn't meant in any way to insult your feelings, only to wake the discussion up to Leica's new found realisation that film cameras are not yet dead and can be milked just as the digital cameras are. It is only a few years ago that Leica must have been thinking that production of film cameras would soon come to an end, despite any official statements to the contrary. What we have now is a new surge in film use and if Leica haven't recognised it they need to wake up. But they have realised it, and Leica owners should realise it, because denying they won't cash in on their experience of selling digital cameras in recent years means film users are looking in the other direction just at the moment when Leica throw some new resources behind film users and the cameras they want (or feel obliged to want, depending on your viewpoint). Steve 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80_20 Posted January 9, 2015 Share #215 Posted January 9, 2015 Sorry for the reflection in my picture (I am still on the "learning-curve") and thanks for the update Ian - indeed the built-quality and the "touch-and-feel" of both cameras seems quite similar. Klaus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lincoln_m Posted January 9, 2015 Share #216 Posted January 9, 2015 OK so the M-A is actually cheaper than the MP. I'd assumed that less features would cost more as in the M 60 year addition with no LCD display. I notice the M-A has the slot in the speed dial for an external meter as per M2, M3. Perhaps Leica will be offering a hot shoe light meter accessory to make up for the lack of one in the M-A? Regards, Lincoln Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmr237 Posted January 10, 2015 Share #217 Posted January 10, 2015 Is this the Internet equivalent of holding up a crucifix and hanging garlic round your neck? Pretty funny. Thanks very much for the note. I appreciate it. Upon reflection, I see your point that the M-A is more of a new version of the MP rather than an entirely new model. And if Leica can make more money by milking the resurgence in film, I say more power to them! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post wattsy Posted January 13, 2015 Author Popular Post Share #218 Posted January 13, 2015 Too many words in this thread and not enough photos. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 21 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/236926-i-love-my-m-a/?do=findComment&comment=2746509'>More sharing options...
honcho Posted January 13, 2015 Share #219 Posted January 13, 2015 About time! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winedemonium Posted January 14, 2015 Share #220 Posted January 14, 2015 Awesome review of the M-A from someone who gets it. Applied Relativity: The Leica M-A :: ULTRAsomething photography 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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