A miller Posted October 2, 2014 Share #1 Posted October 2, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) I was playing around with it last night at Heathrow and was beyond shocked at how I couldn't take consecutive exposures and had to wait a good few seconds between shots. I am most certain that this is old news...but.... So much for the "decisive moment", Leica! I am not in any way a M(240) basher or an M9/M-E loyalist, but after the M(240) shooting I pickd up an M-E with the same 50mm cron lens. It was meaningfully lighter and more responsive. I suspect that more than 30 minutes is needed to get used to the IQ and ergonomics of the M(240) (which are more complex (and advanced) than those of the stripped down M-E); but having them side-by-side confirmed for me that the M-E/M9 really does have certain strengths over the M(240) (though not at all suggeting that these strengths outweigh the relative strengths of the M(240). I also noticed a distinctly different and more muffled shutter shound to the M-E vs my M9. This was also surprising as I had thought that the M-E was operationally identical to the M9. I liked the M-E's shutter sound better than the M9. My two pence that I thought I'd share with a large group of people who will probably have fun teasing me for the next few days... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 2, 2014 Posted October 2, 2014 Hi A miller, Take a look here A belated heckle regarding the M(240) shutter. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
jdlaing Posted October 2, 2014 Share #2 Posted October 2, 2014 I was playing around with it last night at Heathrow and was beyond shocked at how I couldn't take consecutive exposures and had to wait a good few seconds between shots. I am most certain that this is old news...but.... So much for the "decisive moment", Leica! I am not in any way a M(240) basher or an M9/M-E loyalist, but after the M(240) shooting I pickd up an M-E with the same 50mm cron lens. It was meaningfully lighter and more responsive. I suspect that more than 30 minutes is needed to get used to the IQ and ergonomics of the M(240) (which are more complex (and advanced) than those of the stripped down M-E); but having them side-by-side confirmed for me that the M-E/M9 really does have certain strengths over the M(240) (though not at all suggeting that these strengths outweigh the relative strengths of the M(240). I also noticed a distinctly different and more muffled shutter shound to the M-E vs my M9. This was also surprising as I had thought that the M-E was operationally identical to the M9. I liked the M-E's shutter sound better than the M9. My two pence that I thought I'd share with a large group of people who will probably have fun teasing me for the next few days... Blasphemy! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted October 2, 2014 Share #3 Posted October 2, 2014 I don't understand that, because I can take consecutive photos as rapidly as my shutter finger will allow. Were you using LV or the EVF? That is the only possible explanation I can think of other than a faulty camera. (PS - Or something like heavy noise-reduction being applied i.e. inappropriate settings.) If there are some things that the M9 does better than the M, the action of the shutter and associated mechanics and electronics are not amongst them in my quite extensive experience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
indergaard Posted October 2, 2014 Share #4 Posted October 2, 2014 If you are not using LV/EVF be sure that you are using "Classic" metering mode, and not the "Advanced" metering mode - which will slow the camera down considerably. The M240 is by far more responsive and quicker in every way compared to my MM and an M9-P that I've also used for a short time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted October 2, 2014 Share #5 Posted October 2, 2014 Something wrong there: I had the M9 and have the M240, and found no difference in (and no problem with) the time to take consecutive shots. M240 is distinctly heavier, I agree. I only get your experience when I forget to remove the lens cap:o. Does anyone know a quick way to interrupt the second noise reduction exposure when triggered inadvertently? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 2, 2014 Share #6 Posted October 2, 2014 You were in EVF mode i guess. In classic mode startup and wakeup times are not shorter than 1.7 seconds with fast SDHC cards when the sleep mode is not disabled but once the camera is awaken, the M240 is not significantly less responsive than a film M provided you don't shoot more than 7 (raw + jpeg fine) to 12 (jpeg basic) frames consequently. EVF mode is another story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A miller Posted October 2, 2014 Author Share #7 Posted October 2, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) very interesting. I guess the settings were not just right. I don't recall whether the LV setting was on or what metering mode it was in (there was no EVF connected to the camera). All I recall is that the 1 second review feature was set. I was using the regular viewfinder. The "service professional" at the store told me - I guess most ignorantly - that this is the quickest the camera shoots consecutively. All I can say is that I press the shutter immediately after the first snap and nothing happened. Then I pressed a couple of more times with the same "nothing happening", then i pressed and finally got another exposure. I guess the camera's settings had gotten discalibrated and the "service professional" failed his crash course on this particular camera. Glad to know that settings can be tweaked to achieve a reasonably normal rapid fire shoot succession, at least as well as the M9 ----- MM. And I suspect that the M-P improves on this even more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted October 2, 2014 Share #8 Posted October 2, 2014 Could be the card...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A miller Posted October 2, 2014 Author Share #9 Posted October 2, 2014 It was the store's card. Didn't examine it. But I will sadly be back there this Monday night and will follow up on this and try to get it to work the way you all are telling me it should. And will use my own card. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted October 2, 2014 Share #10 Posted October 2, 2014 I have a mix of cards. My old slow ones run slowly, newer faster ones run much quicker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted October 2, 2014 Share #11 Posted October 2, 2014 I suspect you are using 'advanced' (Live View) metering, which requires the shutter to be open, (then you press the button) and it closes, then it opens and exposes and closes, and then it opens again to do 'advanced' metering, every time between shots. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted October 2, 2014 Share #12 Posted October 2, 2014 I've used 6 y.o. 2GB Kingston cards left over from my days with the M8 and have never had that happen with my M240, even with the EVF. The only way I could make it happen would be to leave it in A and shoot with the lens cap on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted October 3, 2014 Share #13 Posted October 3, 2014 To address your observations: 1. The camera was in advanced mode. This is a mode that meters off of the sensor and requires to camera to close the shutter, then open the shutter and then close the shutter and then reopen the shutter before you are able to take the next shot. If, the camera was set to classic mode it would have been faster shot to shot like the ME or the M9. 2. The M was heavier because the battery is much larger than the mostly acknowledged undersized ME battery. 3. Not sure if the ME has a more muffled shutter sound than the M9. But, the M has a quieter sound than both. Hope this helps, Rick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugby Posted October 3, 2014 Share #14 Posted October 3, 2014 I was playing around with it last night at Heathrow and was beyond shocked at how I couldn't take consecutive exposures and had to wait a good few seconds between shots. My two pence that I thought I'd share with a large group of people who will probably have fun teasing me for the next few days... This has happened to my M240 and it's easily reproduced....... when I forget to remove the lens cap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A miller Posted October 3, 2014 Author Share #15 Posted October 3, 2014 Consensus seems to be that (i) the camera was in "advance metering mode" and (ii) the result can also be reproduced with the lens cap on. (I was frankly expecting even more reasons, and was fully expecting to do a lot more sifting to get to the real reason(s). ) [Rick - If the battery is the sole reason for the extra weight, I personally prefer the smaller battery. I carry two with me wherever I go, I shoot over 100 exposures per day with my MM, and I never have a problem.] Thanks to all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted October 3, 2014 Share #16 Posted October 3, 2014 [Rick - If the battery is the sole reason for the extra weight, I personally prefer the smaller battery. I carry two with me wherever I go, I shoot over 100 exposures per day with my MM, and I never have a problem.] Thanks to all. 585g vs 680g I believe 50g is due to the battery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecar Posted October 3, 2014 Share #17 Posted October 3, 2014 I believe 50g is due to the battery. Indeed. 93g vs 46g on my kitchen scale. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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