Leica M Edition 60 - Your opinion

[Steve P]

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I need one of these to go with my screenless T.V. and my screenless G.P.S.

Whaddaya mean it's a radio?

And where the hell am I?

[leica2f]

I think that the price is a bit too high. Apart from the design it is a M (240) with less features and parts inside. And IMHO, apart from the Audi R8, Audi never made a really beautiful design. But thats a matter of taste.

 

If Leica would have left that little EVF connector, just for those few occasions when an immediate look at the photo is needed... I might consider buying one.

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Will there be issues with airport security authorities? How do you prove it's a working camera?

[jaapv]

Only 15% want a slimmer housing? Maybe people clicked the first 'Regular model' option before reading the next one. Why would people want to walk around with a brick like that?

 

I hope Leica develops this concept for people who actually would use the camera. I'm sure I don't need to remind the designers at Leica that it really does need.....

 

- strap lugs

- an M8 style battery indicator and shots-taken or shots-remaining

 

And why not a way to program certain options into the camera when it is tethered on the USB?

 

- oh, and SLIMMER HOUSING!

Why? - I would have agreed eight years ago, when the M8 came out, but having got used to the digital Ms the film cameras I own feel flimsily thin - and the Nex like a piece of cardboard.

I would suggest that it is not the relative thickness that bothers, but the change.

For my hands I find the new thickness superior ergonomics - but surely hat is a personal thing...

And what USB?

[Exodies]

"Did you just take my picture?" <punch> "Delete it!" <punch> "Now!" <punch>

[Auchtermuchty]

I shouldn't really be surprised because I've seen exactly the same thing in many other (Canon/Nikon/Fuji) forums, but I expected something different from Leica users! Every time a new model becomes the subject of discussion, hordes of people cry out for features that are present on 'other' cameras. "If only my Fuji was more like a Sony!" Or "If only my APSC was more like a Full Frame camera!" etc. Thank goodness Leica exists, and continues to understand the needs and desires of the rest of us.

 

I confess I can't afford Leica, so for *years* I waited and waited for a digital camera that recreated the complete simplicity of a Nikon FM2. Meter, set shutter and aperture, focus, compose, and shoot. That's all I wanted - that and NOTHING else, because everything else is something else to think about - fluff that constantly distracts. And recently I almost wet my pants with excitement when I heard that Nikon were about to make a Df model - I really couldn't contain myself! Finally!! It's here!! The manual, mechanical digital!! And... look at what they made. Jeez. What a messed-up, screwed-up 'thing'.

 

Now it really *is* here in the form of this Leica - photography stripped down to it's VERY basics, for those who want to eliminate every possible distraction and, ironically, at the price, it's even more of a pipe-dream than all other Leicas! I doubt that any other manufacturer will be brave enough to follow suit, so I expect my dream will never come true, but... thank goodness for Leica!

[jaapv]

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It is the digital age - we want to delegate all functions of our brain to a tool....

[carstenw]

I shouldn't really be surprised because I've seen exactly the same thing in many other (Canon/Nikon/Fuji) forums, but I expected something different from Leica users!

 

Leica users are the most conservative of all. A dimensional change of 0.5mm here or there yields cries of foul. The design of the left shoulder. Large or small shutter speed wheel. The number of buttons. The thumb rest of the M240. All these tiny changes have caused riots in the streets.

[carstenw]

it makes me sad to see Leica become a company for collectors, not photographers.

 

They have been much less so in recent years. Just go look up the number of M6 special editions.

[plasticman]

What's next ... a laptop without a screen?...

 

I need one of these to go with my screenless T.V. and my screenless G.P.S.

 

None of these analogies work at all: a screenless TV is obviously an oxymoron, a computer needs a monitor to be operated.

But a camera takes pictures even without a screen.

 

A more realistic analogy would be a TV without a remote control - then people here can get angry about all the “luddites” who like to get out of the sofa to change channels.

[jaapv]

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Please restrain yourself.

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[rjhringmer]

Leica seems to be following a strategy of charging more for less, e.g. M-P v M9 cmos compared to ccd. My 50years of Leica allegiance is under scrutiny vis a vis Fuji.

[jaapv]

Slightly puzzled about the more for less bit The M 240 (-P) is so much advanced beyond the M9. If you want to go cheap, Leica offers you the ME which is a basic M9 including CCD.

There is no M9 CMOS, I fear.

Nor do I understand what this has to do with the M60.

Edited September 24, 2014 by jaapv

[edwardkaraa]

Leica seems to be following a strategy of charging more for less, e.g. M-P v M9 cmos compared to ccd. My 50years of Leica allegiance is under scrutiny vis a vis Fuji.

 

Wow, 50 years Leica allegiance and you just discovered Fuji is better?

[CGR]

Thank goodness I've got the original version - the M3. This 50 year old classic together with two period lenses and I'm good to go. Sadly, for a brand that was once synonymous with producing fewer but top quality models, Leica has sunk to the same level as Canon, Nikon etc by introducing new versions every two or three months. Absolute nonsense.

[jaapv]

The shortest production cycle was the Leica M4-2, about 1 1/2 years.

The cycle on all digital M cameras now is at least three years (albeit sometimes with a facelift, like the P models), about the longest in the industry. The Monochrom will probably have a product cycle of five years.

The ME is the M9 from September 2009, in its sixth year now...

Edited September 24, 2014 by jaapv

[Auchtermuchty]

Sadly, for a brand that was once synonymous with producing fewer but top quality models, Leica has sunk to the same level as Canon, Nikon etc by introducing new versions every two or three months. Absolute nonsense.

 

Can't argue with that really.

 

Some things are worth spending a lot to obtain, on the basis that superior quality will serve you well for a lifetime. A digital camera however, dependent as it is on SD cards or USB cables or unusual batteries/chargers etc etc, ain't one of those things. Still, I'd sell my granny for a Monochrom version of this model...

[Steve P]

None of these analogies work at all: a screenless TV is obviously an oxymoron,

 

I genuinely can't believe you didn't see the joke.

[pico]

I think a reverse concept makes much more sense; that is, a film camera with a digital display. So that you can instantly review the negative you have just exposed.

 

Similar technology has been in cine-film work for decades - video shot in parallel with the film taken through the same lens. But of course, it was a big unit!

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[ynp]

I saw and fondled the M60 at Photokina and loved the feel and design of the camera.

 

I voted for a regular price M60. The camera felt well in my hands and I will not want a slimmer body, I wanted do much before the show. I was surprised that the M60 lacks the grip interface or a way to incorporate the electronic viewfinder, but the design was very logical without them.

I want a screenless Leica M.

 

 

Owned the lugless M9 titanium before and had a problem with the loops, which disengaged themselves from the Audi designed body (and the camera dropped on the sidewalk). Looks like Audi people do not like the lugs at all and make a statement.

Once again the designers do not want the owners to shoot their limited edition Leicas.