CheshireCat Posted September 27, 2014 Share #61 Posted September 27, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Berlinman I second K-H's questiuon. This is a very importsnt point to me if Leica acknowledges that there is a lockup/freeze issue going on with even post .15 FW updated M240's. Leica will never do that, as this will basically mean they will need to recall all M 240 copies. I am convinced this is a hardware problem, and even if they found a solution, most probably they will never tell us for the same reason. Enjoy your M 240 as it is, or get a Canikon (Sonican ?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 27, 2014 Posted September 27, 2014 Hi CheshireCat, Take a look here No freezes with the M-P, design failure of m240?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
lct Posted September 27, 2014 Share #62 Posted September 27, 2014 It there were an hardware problem my sample would not work flawlessly as it does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted September 27, 2014 Share #63 Posted September 27, 2014 I have also had a problem with my M freezing up when the battery is dead...........changing the battery usually solves the problem:D:D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted September 28, 2014 Share #64 Posted September 28, 2014 It there were an hardware problem my sample would not work flawlessly as it does. And if there were a software or any other kind of problem your sample would not work flawlessly as it does. So by your logic we can finally prove there are no problems with the M, and all of us who are experiencing issues are a bunch of hallucinating idiots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted September 28, 2014 Share #65 Posted September 28, 2014 So by your logic we can finally prove there are no problems with the M, and all of us who are experiencing issues are a bunch of hallucinating idiots. At last someone has got it right..........you had better go and get yourself checked in :D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted September 28, 2014 Share #66 Posted September 28, 2014 Kindly refer to the "My lockups have stopped" thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted September 28, 2014 Share #67 Posted September 28, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) It there were an hardware problem my sample would not work flawlessly as it does. Maybe the explanation is sample variation coupled with usage patterns. You got lucky with your M240 and are very risk avoidant in your usage. Nothing wrong with the latter if it fits your dtyle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 28, 2014 Share #68 Posted September 28, 2014 Kindly refer to the "My lockups have stopped" thread. You may wish to look at my answer Louis. I would try SD Formatter as i've suggested many times in this very forum. Works for me, why not for you? Unless you think that i have a special camera or a special way to use it of course... but even then, i would give it a try if i were you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 28, 2014 Share #69 Posted September 28, 2014 So by your logic we can finally prove there are no problems with the M, and all of us who are experiencing issues are a bunch of hallucinating idiots. I have nothing to prove, just stating facts as far as i'm concerned. As for the "bunch" of idiots the words are yours but my questions remain the same. Why do these kind people refuse to send their cameras in if they are faulty? And why do they keep complaining if they do nothing to fix their issue? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 28, 2014 Share #70 Posted September 28, 2014 You got lucky with your M240 and are very risk avoidant in your usage. Well i don't shoot more than seven frames in continuous mode (raw + basic jpeg) because the camera slows down too much afterwards. Would you call this "very risk avoidant"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted September 28, 2014 Share #71 Posted September 28, 2014 Well i don't shoot more than seven frames in continuous mode (raw + basic jpeg) because the camera slows down too much afterwards. Would you call this "very risk avoidant"? Well, yes, that's part of it. Also not semi-randomly pushing buttons and turning wheels (chimping) while the camera is busy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 28, 2014 Share #72 Posted September 28, 2014 Not an usual practice for sure but i forced myself to do so when beta testing and nothing happened then... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted September 28, 2014 Share #73 Posted September 28, 2014 That's very encouraging with regards to your camera! Congrats. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted September 29, 2014 Share #74 Posted September 29, 2014 I have nothing to prove, just stating facts as far as i'm concerned. As for the "bunch" of idiots the words are yours but my questions remain the same. Why do these kind people refuse to send their cameras in if they are faulty? And why do they keep complaining if they do nothing to fix their issue? Because - as you should perfectly know - all people who sent their camera in did not get back a working camera. Even those who went through one or more replacements. If your usage pattern does not trigger any bug, then good for you. But your logic is flawed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 29, 2014 Share #75 Posted September 29, 2014 Because - as you should perfectly know - all people who sent their camera in did not get back a working camera. Even those who went through one or more replacements... I know nothing about this sorry. Have you got any evidence of this since 2.0.1.5. firmware update? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted September 29, 2014 Share #76 Posted September 29, 2014 I know nothing about this sorry. Have you got any evidence of this since 2.0.1.5. firmware update? Several people in this forum have given this evidence. You should read posts with more attention. And your logic is flawed again: If a firmware update could fix the problem, then why should I send the camera in ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted September 29, 2014 Share #77 Posted September 29, 2014 I've had two lockups ever. Both with the latest firmware. I haven't had one in a longish time. I think it's because I try not to overload the camera with button pressing when the EVF is attached. Pushing lots of extra buttons when the camera is bogged down seems to be the issue with my camera at least. At least it teaches me to be patient... Gordon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted September 29, 2014 Share #78 Posted September 29, 2014 I've had two lockups ever. Both with the latest firmware. I haven't had one in a longish time. I think it's because I try not to overload the camera with button pressing when the EVF is attached. Pushing lots of extra buttons when the camera is bogged down seems to be the issue with my camera at least. At least it teaches me to be patient... Gordon Thanks. This is an interesting observation. In many ways it is similar to my early experiences with my M9. http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m9-forum/174378-intermittent-m9-lcd-navigation-malfunction.html The camera didn't lock up though. It just misbehaved. Then there was the problem with a corrupt file system and Zero KB images. http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m9-forum/187415-m9-1-162-firmware-bug-just.html I also got some black frames. All these problems disappeared when I used a Panasonic card with these properties and FW equal or later than 1.162. According to Panasonic RPSDB32GB1K SDHC Video Storage these were the properties of the card: "OVERVIEW This 32GB Ultra High Speed (UHS-1) SDHC Memory card is a full Class 10 with a transfer rate of 90MBs and offload speed of six minutes with a singular clip. It is faster, smarter and more robust than current SDHC cards and has been fully optimized for professional use, notably with Panasonic’s broad AVCCAM line of affordable HD camcorders and recorders. To achieve the SBD Series UHS-1 media’s high-speed transfer rate, a user must have a computer embedded with USB 3.0 technology and be equipped with a Panasonic UHS-1 USB adapter or an SDHC card slot that supports the UHS-1’s chip. This 32GB UHS card also incorporates a powerful Super Intelligent Controller System (SICS) that has three primary functions. The first is to extend the archive shelf life of the card and its respective recordings, second to provide power failure protection, and third, to control the data writing to the card so that the entire card is used fully over its lifetime. 10 times Archival Life SICS automatically refreshes data because repeated playback of the same data without refreshing can introduce errors. This refreshing functionality optimizes data playback performance and has the effect of boosting archival life by a factor of 10. Power Failure Protection In the event of a power failure, SICS saves original data back to the card so there is no corruption or loss of material. If a power failure occurs, not only can the current clip being recorded become damaged, but data can be corrupted in other areas as well. With the SICS feature, it is like the power failure never occurred. This has been tested and certified by TÜV Rheinland, a leading Product Certification provider, for up to 1000 times. Smart Data Writing SICS also equalizes the rewrite areas on the card so that data writing begins at the point where the previous recording ended, even on a reformatted card. This ensures that a card is totally used in one full rewrite cycle, which minimizes to the greatest extent possible the depletion of flash memory’s finite program-erase capacities. Ultra Reliable In addition to SICS protecting the integrity of the cards, another valuable feature is Proof 5 durability encompassing resistance to water, shock, magnetization, X-rays and temperature extremes. The card is operable under severe temperature conditions from -13F to 185 degrees Fahrenheit. It is protected from x-rays at baggage inspections in airports and can withstand being run over by a 1.5-ton car. It comes with a one-year professional warranty. Other valuable features exclusive to the SDB series include QR Code Tracking for archival location tracking and management of content, and free downloadable AVCCAM File Recovery Software, compatible with Windows 7, XP and Mac. Panasonic will also offer free Card Checker software that assesses professional UHS-1 media for remaining card life. The Card Checker software is compatible with Windows 7, XP and Mac, and requires operation with a computer embedded with USB 3.0 technology or equipped with a Panasonic UHS-1 USB adapter. In addition, there is a one year warranty being offered covering Professional use of the card." In particular the chapter about Power Failure Protection seems relevant. I believe several forum members came to the conclusion that a combination of battery/power management and other FW issues were the culprit. The understanding is summarized here in a mixture of German and English. http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/2004666-post79.html Jamie Roberts and Wilson (wlaidlaw) contributed relevant pieces to solve the puzzle. So I am wondering whether not a similar cause and effect is at work here with the M240? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 29, 2014 Share #79 Posted September 29, 2014 Several people in this forum have given this evidence. You should read posts with more attention. And your logic is flawed again: If a firmware update could fix the problem, then why should I send the camera in ? Well i tried again and sorry no i don't find any evidence of "several people" having returned their sample in July 2014 or afterwards, i.e. after the 2.0.1.5 firware update. Would you have any link by chance? And your logic escapes me once more with respect. You should send your camera in if it is faulty so why don't you do it, and why do you complain if you do nothing to fix your issue? Sorry to ask these questions again but this is a point i don't quite understand and your imput or that of other complainers would be greatly appreciated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted September 29, 2014 Share #80 Posted September 29, 2014 Hooray ...... I managed to lock-up my new M 240 p. Can I have a badge and join the club please...... I shoehorned the camera into an old Pele half case that doesn't fit properly. At the same time as pressing the shutter I inadvertently pressed the LV button which was squashed under the leather ...... the shutter half opened and the camera was unresponsive .....and the battery had to be removed..... then the shutter closed. I won't be sending the camera back to Leica as it has worked fine since and it was essentially user error that caused it ....... the case has been 'retired' yet again ...... unless someone would like it (and the strap) cheap ..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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