k-hawinkler Posted June 19, 2011 Share #1 Posted June 19, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) In http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m9-forum/174378-intermittent-m9-lcd-navigation-malfunction.html I described the intermittent scroll wheel problems I encountered with the previous version of the firmware. After installing firmware version 1.162, today I observed the following issue. Let me set the context first. I was exploring manual WB setting and had the M9 save both DNG & JPG Fine. As always, my 16 GB SanDisk Extreme card was formatted in camera before starting to shoot. This card has not given me any issues over the last 18 months I had it. I was chimping and scrolling a lot to make sure I got the frame boundaries I wanted. Also, plenty of juice in the battery - over 75% of charge left when I finished. Now the problem. Everything went fine until the scrolling acted up again - but differently then before. Please, see the following file list that was generated from the 16 GB SanDisk card afterwards on my Mac. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Instead of letting me scroll in the current image, the M9 display showed some text message about image L1000317. I continued shooting - no unusual noise - but noticed that the image counter always indicated 44 as the last image. After 5 minutes of this (the decisive 5 minutes before sun down) I decided to only save DNG - my normal modus operandi. And, voilà, the image counter started to increase again. After another 10 minutes of shooting, I had the M9 save a few more DNG & JPG Fine again. No problem. However, when I examined the images on my Mac I found that for the decisive 5 minutes where the M9 image counter didn't increase, all images had Zero KB size. So I lost those 21 images that should have been stored as DNG & JPG Fine. :eek: Of course, I never could see anything about the images L1000318.DNG to L1000338.DNG on the M9 display. Anybody else's M9 behaving similarly after the firmware update? My experience suggests that Charles Ommanney may have a point with his post http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m9-forum/187140-m9-field.html. And, maybe it's already time to send in my M9 again. Fortunately, I still have my Nikon D3 that can shoot all my Visoflex lenses, 65-560mm. And, Nikon has a phenomenal 14-24/2.8. Best, K-H. Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Instead of letting me scroll in the current image, the M9 display showed some text message about image L1000317. I continued shooting - no unusual noise - but noticed that the image counter always indicated 44 as the last image. After 5 minutes of this (the decisive 5 minutes before sun down) I decided to only save DNG - my normal modus operandi. And, voilà, the image counter started to increase again. After another 10 minutes of shooting, I had the M9 save a few more DNG & JPG Fine again. No problem. However, when I examined the images on my Mac I found that for the decisive 5 minutes where the M9 image counter didn't increase, all images had Zero KB size. So I lost those 21 images that should have been stored as DNG & JPG Fine. :eek: Of course, I never could see anything about the images L1000318.DNG to L1000338.DNG on the M9 display. Anybody else's M9 behaving similarly after the firmware update? My experience suggests that Charles Ommanney may have a point with his post http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m9-forum/187140-m9-field.html. And, maybe it's already time to send in my M9 again. Fortunately, I still have my Nikon D3 that can shoot all my Visoflex lenses, 65-560mm. And, Nikon has a phenomenal 14-24/2.8. Best, K-H. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/154677-m9-1162-firmware-bug-andor-just-a-broken-m9/?do=findComment&comment=1706805'>More sharing options...
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M. Valdemar Posted June 19, 2011 Share #2 Posted June 19, 2011 EXACT same thing happened to me yesterday. New firmare. I bought a new Sandisk Ultra 16gb SD card. (absolutely certain genuine Sandisk). New format in camera. Camera took forever to save images. About 22 images shot, when I got home and put SD card in reader, files not readable, all zero KB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabrewolf Posted June 19, 2011 Share #3 Posted June 19, 2011 My M9 were behaving similarly after firmware update. With DNG+Jpg, only the last frame is retained with the same file number. So after shooting 10 frames or so, only 1 file in the SD card with the same file numbering as before. Its as if it cannot detect the SD card and just keep overwriting the buffer. Had to remove and reinsert the SD card and battery, and now problem is gone. Hopefully it doesnt come back, gave me a pretty good scare back then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted June 19, 2011 Share #4 Posted June 19, 2011 Thanks a lot! I'll stick to DNG then, no time left to wait for firmware 1.7 or 1.2 before my travel starts. Does this happen with DNG+Jpeg Low also? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted June 19, 2011 Share #5 Posted June 19, 2011 I just tested it, thus far I can't replicate the bug. Something remarkable though; I used a Sandisk 8Gb Extreme, which was unstable under the old firmware. Just to test it again for my journey to come, I formatted it a few times (in a process of sensor-cleaning) and use it now as a test for several days. Thus far no bugs encountered Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted June 19, 2011 Author Share #6 Posted June 19, 2011 Thanks a lot! I'll stick to DNG then, no time left to wait for firmware 1.7 or 1.2 before my travel starts. Does this happen with DNG+Jpeg Low also? I don't know and I am not going to find out. Today I shot a bunch of images just saving DNGs. No hiccup whatsoever. Leica needs to put in more effort to debug the rather mundane aspects of their stuff. That's really not the job of a paying customer. I am convinced there are still some screwy things in the M9 that need fixing. However, I think getting some forum members involved for debugging the bleeding edge red corner problem was the right thing to do. Best, K-H. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted June 19, 2011 Share #7 Posted June 19, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) My CV15 is still bleeding... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k_g_wolf ✝ Posted June 19, 2011 Share #8 Posted June 19, 2011 Really ? Try manual code >>21 mm pre asph<<. It still "bleeds" with the 16mm-setting. Best GEORG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted June 19, 2011 Share #9 Posted June 19, 2011 Really ? Try manual code >>21 mm pre asph<<. It still "bleeds" with the 16mm-setting. Best GEORG Sorry, this is off topic, but: it is better but not healed and I have always used the 21/2.8 pre-asph setting Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griswold Posted June 19, 2011 Share #10 Posted June 19, 2011 Not good... I will try that combo and see if it happens on mine. P.S. There will never be firmware that is ever going to clean up a 15mm CV... ever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanhulsenbeek Posted June 19, 2011 Share #11 Posted June 19, 2011 No problem for me. And I did all sorts of things wrong, like shutting oof the camera when it was still writing from the buffer and also I got a battery low message at the end (deservedly I think). Still nothing wrong on the 8Gb Sandisk Ultra, writing DNG only. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted June 19, 2011 Share #12 Posted June 19, 2011 It's DNG+Jpeg Fine that you need to test, Sander Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earful Posted June 19, 2011 Share #13 Posted June 19, 2011 the leica m9 manual specifically recommends the extreme iii and san disk and lexar "professional" cards. since i consider it unusual for a camera manufacturer to recommend specific sd cards, i obediently bought a lexar "professional" card. i think leica might give more credence to the bug possibility if the same deficiencies showed up using the cards they recommended. on the other hand, i have not downloaded the new firmware and probably won't for quite awhile, so i guess at heart i'm a believer in possible bugs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted June 20, 2011 Author Share #14 Posted June 20, 2011 the leica m9 manual specifically recommends the extreme iii and san disk and lexar "professional" cards. since i consider it unusual for a camera manufacturer to recommend specific sd cards, i obediently bought a lexar "professional" card. i think leica might give more credence to the bug possibility if the same deficiencies showed up using the cards they recommended. on the other hand, i have not downloaded the new firmware and probably won't for quite awhile, so i guess at heart i'm a believer in possible bugs. earful, Excellent point. I agree. Here is a quote from the M9 Instructions_en.pdf: " The range of SD/SDHC cards available is too exten- sive for Leica Camera AG to fully test all available types for compatibility and quality. Therefore, we recommend for example the “Extreme III” or “Pro- fessional” cards from the leading brands “SanDisk” and “Lexar”. " So, you got me curious what card I really have in the M9. On my invoice, 12/28/09 from B&H, it says: Item Description: SANDISK EXTREME III SDHC (30MB/S) 16GB SKU#: SAE3SD16GBC Item Price: 114.99 So, I have examined my card. The markings are: SanDisk Extreme 30 MB/s SDHC 10 (inside a C sign) 16GB SanDisk Hmmm? When I search the current B&H website for SAE3SD16GBC I get the following: Search Results We're sorry. No items were found matching your search request for"SAE3SD16GBC". I always thought the E3 in SAE3SD16GBC indicated an Extreme III. I have a hard time believing it's not an Extreme III. But maybe not. Does somebody know whether my card actually is an Extreme III or not? On the B&H website, if I follow the accessories link on the Leica M9 page, it again leads to a SanDisk card marked Extreme and not Extremme III. Would the following card fall within Leica's recommendation for the M9? SanDisk 32GB Extreme Pro SDHC UHS-I Memory SDSDXP1-032G-A75 B&H Can somebody please refer me to a URL with an SDHC card satisfying Leica's recommendation for sure? Best, K-H. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbell Posted June 20, 2011 Share #15 Posted June 20, 2011 Directly after updating the firmware I took a few test shots to see how the 35 cron was behaving now. All looked good on the back of the screen but I wanted to check on the laptop. Tried to transfer the files and found the Leica folder completely empty - nothing, no files, not in Finder nor via Lightroom (3.3) import. Hmmm, popped the card back in the M9, formatted, shot, and voilà, this time the files appeared. My tip would be format the card in camera after you've updated the firmware. PS - Interesting how no-one's shouting USER ERROR when they're having problems themselves, isn't it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted June 20, 2011 Author Share #16 Posted June 20, 2011 Many thanks. I did. I always format the card whenever I exchange batteries. For good measure, this morning I even did the Format SD card with Overwrite. "Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean there isn't someone out there to get you." :D Obviously, "you" in the preceding sentence refers to me and not a reader/responder. Thanks, K-H. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted June 20, 2011 Share #17 Posted June 20, 2011 Does somebody know whether my card actually is an Extreme III or not? Best, K-H. A genuine Extreme III says 'Extreme III' on the label. I'm using the same 16gb card in my M9. I can't imagine Sandisk would issue cards that don't show the type. I assume you have been sent the wrong one. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted June 20, 2011 Author Share #18 Posted June 20, 2011 Thanks. Anybody else supposedly got the wrong card from B&H? I will send Henry Posner from B&H an email asking for clarification. I just can't believe they got this wrong. If B&H did get it wrong, they need to fix this. Best, K-H. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted June 20, 2011 Share #19 Posted June 20, 2011 Does somebody know whether my card actually is an Extreme III or not? Obviously you don't have a SanDisk "Extreme III" but a SanDisk "Extreme". The "Extreme" is the successor model to the "Extreme III" and even faster. The nominal maximum write rate is the same (30 MB/s) but the sustained write rate is higher (Class 10). Unfortunately, the Leica M9 cannot exploit the card's full speed due to limitations in the card-writing interface ... but the same is true for any fast SDHC card. I also have the SanDisk SDHC "Extreme" Class 10 (albeit in 32 GB), and in 15 months of frequent use it has never missed a frame. After the latest firmware update, I have used my M9 only lightly so far—maybe a dozen shots or so per day ... but no issues yet. So in my experience, the SanDisk SDHC "Extreme" Class 10 is a very reliable card. Of course, your sample might be a fake—that's unlikely from a vendor like B&H but not impossible. After all, they confused Extreme and Extreme III, so how should they be able to spot a counterfeit? See this official product photo from SanDisk's website; does your card look exactly like this? http://www.sandisk.com/media/331698/extreme_sdhc_16gb.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted June 20, 2011 Share #20 Posted June 20, 2011 Thinking a bit more about it they may have sent you the very latest Extreme card, where they dropped the 'III' branding. The 16gb Extreme III (Class 6), 16gb Extreme III (Class 10) and new Extreme 16gb are apparently all exactly the same card. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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