Alberti Posted September 26, 2014 Share #161 Posted September 26, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have left off the preview most of the time for my past 40K shots. It is indeed part of the fun. It is the least annoying for subjects. And best for dedication. Just a little story: a few weeks ago I was taking pictures on a maternity visit. The young mother was rocking the baby. I started to move in synch with her, ensuring her eyes were in the roughly plane of focus. I released the shutter once. Perfect focus at 70 cm and F2. There is no other camera that will allow that. Pureness of purposefulness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 26, 2014 Posted September 26, 2014 Hi Alberti, Take a look here M(240) Edition 60. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Jeff S Posted September 26, 2014 Share #162 Posted September 26, 2014 There is no other camera that will allow that. Silly. Even though I've used Leica for 4 decades, and appreciate its attributes. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted September 26, 2014 Share #163 Posted September 26, 2014 Silly. Even though I've used Leica for 4 decades, and appreciate its attributes. Jeff I don't understand that comment either. Every camera with manual focus would allow that. Even AF cameras could probably be coerced into doing it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooey Posted September 26, 2014 Share #164 Posted September 26, 2014 I realize that with digital we don't need to see the frame count nearly as often as with film Provided there's some warning when the battery is about to tank (at 10% say) and when we're close to filling a card (20 shots remaining or there abouts), then really I don't need to see the battery or frame-count info at all except before setting out for the day to see that I have a full charge and an empty card (there's no deleting a few shots to free up space after all) - and that's just a button press (or two) away. To be really pernickety, just one press to display both battery level and frames would be slicker I feel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted September 28, 2014 Share #165 Posted September 28, 2014 I recommend reading the Reid Reviews review of the M60. There is a battery meter in the display FYI Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted September 28, 2014 Share #166 Posted September 28, 2014 ^the info about the repurposed movie button and finder display of battery and iso is readily available for free Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted September 28, 2014 Share #167 Posted September 28, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) ^the info about the repurposed movie button and finder display of battery and iso is readily available for free And your point is ? It would appear from the above its not general knowledge I would have thought if you are thinking about buying one of these cameras the annual subs to any of the review sites is irrelevant Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted September 28, 2014 Author Share #168 Posted September 28, 2014 To be honest, Harold, I have read just about everything I can find on the net about this camera (it wasn't hard to find), and I learned absolutely nothing about the M60 from Sean Reid's review that I don't know already; which I found disappointing. I renewed my subscription, and I wish I hadn't. He doesn't do that many reviews, and what he reviews can be a bit odd. He reviewed the T with lenses that I don't have and don't want, and he published a review of the 28 Summilux with a faulty 28 Summicron. I didn't find any of those 3 reviews of products I am interested in helpful, or indicative of good reviewing. I understand Sean is a nice guy, and he likes to tell us he has the inside running with Leica, but that's all I've learned from his site. It's not helped by strangely unattractive murky B&W pictures of country fairs and dances which lack any real subject or composition. I also don't really bond with his testing board and his vegetables, tending instead to jump to his conclusion - that might just be laziness on my part, but the tests always look to me very similar in style and wording - it's as if he has some blanks he fills in for each product, otherwise using the same blank form for each report. I find Tim Ashley (sadly no longer publishing) and Ming Thein more informative. Ming basically wrote the M60 off as daft. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted September 28, 2014 Share #169 Posted September 28, 2014 To be honest, Harold, I have read just about everything I can find on the net about this camera (it wasn't hard to find), and I learned absolutely nothing about the M60 from Sean Reid's review that I don't know already; which I found disappointing. I find Tim Ashley (sadly no longer publishing) and Ming Thein more informative. Ming basically wrote the M60 off as daft. Fair enough. I like Sean as he subtly gives you the real inside if you read between the lines. Also not such a fan of country dancing, although it does bring together many difficult aspects, including low light, movement and complications. I liked the way he described the experience using the M60, what was different psychologically. Ming is usually very good as log as you don't read a review of Sony as he hates them for some reason (although he grudgingly admitted the strong points of the A7 series) There are no good around reviewers. So it takes some reading around. Nothing like having the camera in your hand. Frankly thats what sold the M240 and XV to me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted September 29, 2014 Share #170 Posted September 29, 2014 .... It's not helped by strangely unattractive murky B&W pictures of country fairs and dances which lack any real subject or composition. .... Thank you, John, I thought I was the only one that felt the way about the pictures and I wondered if it was something lacking in me - that maybe I'd missed some quintessential tome on how to take 'proper' photographs (whatever that might mean). I dropped Sean's subscription over 5 years ago for the reasons you've mentioned and it slightly irritates that I'm still getting emails telling me about his latest review. It's a bit like the doorstep encyclopaedia salesman that just won't leave you alone. Having said that, as an Engineer I appreciate Sean's slavishness to objectivity and fair benchmarked comparison and I hold his reviews far above those from the subjective Huffs, Rockwells, diglloyds etc Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted September 29, 2014 Share #171 Posted September 29, 2014 And your point is ? Here's my point, in your own words: There are no good around reviewers. So it takes some reading around. Nothing like having the camera in your hand. Frankly thats what sold the M240 and XV to me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmr237 Posted September 30, 2014 Share #172 Posted September 30, 2014 Does anyone know if the M60's raw files have a time and date stamp, and how you might change that to reflect your local time zone? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted September 30, 2014 Share #173 Posted September 30, 2014 Don't expect someone who doesn't want to see his pictures to give a damn about when they were taken. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted September 30, 2014 Share #174 Posted September 30, 2014 and he published a review of the 28 Summilux with a faulty 28 Summicron. I must say that one really pissed me off. I found it hard to believe that he couldn't get an optimally calibrated 28 Summicron for that test! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted September 30, 2014 Share #175 Posted September 30, 2014 I find Tim Ashley (sadly no longer publishing) Tim lost me after his review of the 28 Summicron, although he is entitled to his opinion http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m-type-240/296144-tim-ashley-m240-28-cron.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted September 30, 2014 Author Share #176 Posted September 30, 2014 Tim lost me after his review of the 28 Summicron, although he is entitled to his opinion http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m-type-240/296144-tim-ashley-m240-28-cron.html Yes, his reviews sometimes came to odd conclusions (I think he had a faulty example of the 28 Summicron), but it's hard to fault his style, and his articles were interesting and informative. His last posting had him converting to a Sony A7 based system. I wonder how he's getting on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted October 31, 2014 Share #177 Posted October 31, 2014 I was reading Wim Wenders interview in the latest LFI and the following excerpt really reminded me of this thread and some of the points I expressed. LFI: What do you perceive as the advantages of analogue over digital photography? Wenders: In digital photography, you can preview your image. In analogue photography, you sense the image, and know instinctively whether you have a picture or not. So you invest in faith. In digital photography, this is no longer possible - taking photos becomes something else. If I can see the final image while I'm in the process of taking it, I forgo a relationship with the image I am hoping to achieve. I see a product before it should even exist. This is really fantastic stuff! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanJW Posted October 31, 2014 Share #178 Posted October 31, 2014 I was reading Wim Wenders interview in the latest LFI and the following excerpt really reminded me of this thread and some of the points I expressed. LFI: What do you perceive as the advantages of analogue over digital photography? Wenders: In digital photography, you can preview your image. In analogue photography, you sense the image, and know instinctively whether you have a picture or not. So you invest in faith. In digital photography, this is no longer possible - taking photos becomes something else. If I can see the final image while I'm in the process of taking it, I forgo a relationship with the image I am hoping to achieve. I see a product before it should even exist. This is really fantastic stuff! My reaction is a little different. I don't see it as so "fantastic". It is nostalgic romanticism with flowery language like "investing in faith". I say anything that helps create a good image is a tool I can and will use, and I don't see using a digital camera with a LCD as "forgoing a relationship with the image", whatever that means, which is probably nothing at all. For sure I am not as talented as Wim Wenders, and I do not always know instinctively whether I have a picture or not. In those situations where you sense that you might have something, it is good to know right away whether you are right or wrong, and if you were wrong, it is great to be able to go back and try again. Why is that such a bad thing? If I was wrong during the 40 years+ that I shot film, I wouldn't know until I saw the developed film, and then it might be too late to go back and try again. I wouldn't want to return to those days, even if with a digital w/o LCD I didn't have to wait quite as long. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted October 31, 2014 Share #179 Posted October 31, 2014 LFI: What do you perceive as the advantages of analogue over digital photography? Wenders: In digital photography, you can preview your image. In analogue photography, you sense the image, and know instinctively whether you have a picture or not. So you invest in faith. In digital photography, this is no longer possible - taking photos becomes something else. If I can see the final image while I'm in the process of taking it, I forgo a relationship with the image I am hoping to achieve. I see a product before it should even exist. Guess he never heard of a Polaroid camera. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted October 31, 2014 Author Share #180 Posted October 31, 2014 I was reading Wim Wenders interview in the latest LFI and the following excerpt really reminded me of this thread and some of the points I expressed. LFI: What do you perceive as the advantages of analogue over digital photography? Wenders: In digital photography, you can preview your image. In analogue photography, you sense the image, and know instinctively whether you have a picture or not. So you invest in faith. In digital photography, this is no longer possible - taking photos becomes something else. If I can see the final image while I'm in the process of taking it, I forgo a relationship with the image I am hoping to achieve. I see a product before it should even exist. This is really fantastic stuff! I appreciate there are many for whom this is tat. I have no problem with that, but just because it doesn't ring true for you, that doesn't automatically mean everyone else is wrong. I hope this simple statement doesn't come as a surprise. I used to have a Polaroid back for my Hasselblad - waste of time for me. The truth of the matter, for me, is that I take the best pictures when I am thinking about the light and composition. For that, I need to be aware of ISO, aperture, shutter speed, framing and focus. The times I've left it to the camera, it hasn't worked so well for me. If I have to set them myself, I think about it. So a direct dial for the setting is ideal for me. Not for some, I get it. If anyone takes this camera out of the box, with or without the white gloves, and tries to take a picture with it, I'd think an incident light meter might be a good idea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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