CheshireCat Posted September 23, 2014 Share #121 Posted September 23, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) the feeling of being blown away by a perfect frame after processing was still SO exhilarating. I really miss this emotion in digital photography. IMHO, that's why Leica designed the 60. This will be taken care of by a special Lightroom RealProcessing plugin where you need to click buttons for different chemicals and respect the right timings, otherwise your DNG files will be permanently overwritten by images emulating your processing error. This Lightroom plugin will be a special edition produced in 6 copies, each installer will be numbered and digitally engraved with a Leica logo. Priced ad $20000, the plugin is not cheap. But it includes a pair of white socks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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m6left Posted September 23, 2014 Share #122 Posted September 23, 2014 And a pair of pure crocodile leather sandals I hope. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted September 24, 2014 Share #123 Posted September 24, 2014 In fact, to me this camera has one button (video)….too many…. It's not a video button…post #108. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted September 24, 2014 Author Share #124 Posted September 24, 2014 What language? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlatkob Posted September 24, 2014 Share #125 Posted September 24, 2014 PS - I assume the clever people at Leica have worked through the menus and have solutions for firmware updates, SD card formatting (remember with the M9 we were all told to only format in camera), setting the time and date, setting the language and cleaning the sensor ... Perhaps all of the photos are dated 12/31/1969 — the date to which some computers reset their clocks? They must have thought out a way to set the clock. But the camera has such limited inputs that I have no guess as to what it may be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted September 24, 2014 Share #126 Posted September 24, 2014 Perhaps all of the photos are dated 12/31/1969 — the date to which some computers reset their clocks? They must have thought out a way to set the clock. But the camera has such limited inputs that I have no guess as to what it may be. If they didn't remove the microphone, you could just tell your camera the current date and time: - "Hey, Leica ! It's September the 23rd 2014, 10:57pm !". - "Alrighty!" [voice from camera speaker] I am sure Leica engineers easily worked out trivial features such as voice recognition in any language Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted September 24, 2014 Share #127 Posted September 24, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) If they didn't remove the microphone, you could just tell your camera the current date and time: - "Hey, Leica ! It's September the 23rd 2014, 10:57pm !". - "Alrighty!" [voice from camera speaker] I am sure Leica engineers easily worked out trivial features such as voice recognition in any language Bashing is easily recognizable, notwithstanding the language. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 24, 2014 Share #128 Posted September 24, 2014 May I remind (some) members of the following. There have been several posts and posters sailing very close to the wind, even crossing the line. Please restrain yourself. What the Leica Forum is for This is the Leica Forum. Leica is its primary theme. Subjects include Leica products, Leica photos, the Leica Camera company. It’s for everyone with an interest in Leica. Anyone who is interested in Leica can inform themselves here and interact with others. This is a meeting place for people from all over the world who enjoy and take an interest in Leica. Purely factual information is important but so is passion and contact with other enthusiasts. A balance has to be struck so that everyone can feel at ease. Everyone is welcome, as long as they show respect for other members, their opinions and the forum rules. 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carstenw Posted September 24, 2014 Share #129 Posted September 24, 2014 It's not a video button…post #108. Jeff Ah I see, they *changed* the button. I thought they overloaded it. Even better. But to be honest, I still don't need it. If the battery runs out I will know about it, and put a new one in. My SD card is large enough that I will never fill it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 24, 2014 Share #130 Posted September 24, 2014 But it is more flush to avoid an accidental push. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted September 24, 2014 Share #131 Posted September 24, 2014 I assume the clever people at Leica have worked through the menus and have solutions for firmware updates, SD card formatting (remember with the M9 we were all told to only format in camera), setting the time and date, setting the language and cleaning the sensor ... Sounds like you might be ordering one, John? I've long advocated for an LCD-less M body but I'm not sure how I feel about this camera. The price is okay – the UK price of £12,000 (including VAT) for the set compares quite favourably with the local price of an M-P plus 35 Summilux (>£9,000), a fairly modest premium for a 'white gloves' Leica special edition – but it's just too 'special edition' blingy for me to be tempted. A regular styled edition without a forced lens purchase might have been a different matter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quadraticadder Posted September 24, 2014 Share #132 Posted September 24, 2014 Or lower price, with a monochrome output as one of the model options: "any color as long as it is black".Love the basics. Aperture, where we can select AutoExpo or shutterspeed, dial in the selected film speed; we also need an indicator for correct exposure. Nothing new. I like to work like that. But once we have closed the black box: maybe some extra's: A fancy bar for over/underexposure maybe added instead of just the triangles Why not present a small (life??) histogram in some corner? But maybe Jaap is right. [He has the right to be so ...] ***** Actually, I'd prefer no auto iso and no histogram. If I'd go with this kind of camera, I want it to force me to use my brain and build skills. Jaap is very good at being Jaap. Best, Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 24, 2014 Share #133 Posted September 24, 2014 Always been interested in minimalist cameras like the Epson R-D1 with its analog controls and reversible display but the M edition 60 seems to lay ten years behind from this viewpoint. Nice collectors camera though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 24, 2014 Share #134 Posted September 24, 2014 *****Actually, I'd prefer no auto iso and no histogram. If I'd go with this kind of camera, I want it to force me to use my brain and build skills. Jaap is very good at being Jaap. Best, Steve I should be-I've been practicing all my life... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted September 24, 2014 Share #135 Posted September 24, 2014 Actually, I'd prefer no auto iso and no histogram. If I'd go with this kind of camera, I want it to force me to use my brain and build skills. Is it not ironic to ask technology to force you not to use it? You could use the brain to consider any film M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quadraticadder Posted September 24, 2014 Share #136 Posted September 24, 2014 Is it not ironic to ask technology to force you not to use it? You could use the brain to consider any film M. ****** Irony? Logic? Oh please. This is consumerism and customer appeal (in my case). Pure and simple. The reasons I want a M60 are my own. And I already use a banged up Canadian M4-p. I quite like developing and scanning black and white negatives. Its awesome. And so would be the M60 for the masses, if it makes economic sense for Leica to make one (and I hope it will). Jaap: I wish you many more healthy years of practice. Best, Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted September 24, 2014 Author Share #137 Posted September 24, 2014 Sounds like you might be ordering one, John? I've long advocated for an LCD-less M body but I'm not sure how I feel about this camera. The price is okay – the UK price of £12,000 (including VAT) for the set compares quite favourably with the local price of an M-P plus 35 Summilux (>£9,000), a fairly modest premium for a 'white gloves' Leica special edition – but it's just too 'special edition' blingy for me to be tempted. A regular styled edition without a forced lens purchase might have been a different matter. I'm not sure, Ian. I like the look of the camera, and the concept appeals, but like you I dislike the white gloves, collector concept. It's just a camera I'd use every day. I am fastidious about looking after my things, but white gloves? Hmmm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coz Posted September 24, 2014 Share #138 Posted September 24, 2014 It's stainless steel - you don't need any gloves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted September 24, 2014 Author Share #139 Posted September 24, 2014 It's stainless steel - you don't need any gloves. :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 24, 2014 Share #140 Posted September 24, 2014 I'm not sure, Ian. I like the look of the camera, and the concept appeals, but like you I dislike the white gloves, collector concept. It's just a camera I'd use every day. I am fastidious about looking after my things, but white gloves? Hmmm. It has been sold out for days anyway.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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