bocaburger Posted September 16, 2014 Share #121 Posted September 16, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) I get the lack of screen, as internal menus could be altered via a Wifi app connection. But what's the deal with no on-board battery guage and card-capacity counter? Seems like it would be rather an annoyance to not know if you're running out of either in the midst of shooting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jamriman Posted September 16, 2014 Share #122 Posted September 16, 2014 I was hoping for that M-A would be a M-D. With a meter of course. Now that would be something! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlatkob Posted September 16, 2014 Share #123 Posted September 16, 2014 I think the M60 is a wonderful camera. If only it had a rear screen... With no screen, it has a severe limitation as a digital camera. Ironically, that gives it much greater appeal as a collector's item. So it may turn out to be a good investment for some collectors. I really don't see what the problem is here. The vocal minority who have self-identified as so weak-minded as to be incapable of not looking at a screen they profess to hate and so incapable as to be unable to tape over that screen have now been given what they asked for. At a price both predicitble and predicted. What's not to like? ...Mike No problem at all. It's a win for all concerned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneleica Posted September 16, 2014 Share #124 Posted September 16, 2014 This is a niche market collector camera, PERIOD If you want a great Leica Digital at an affordable price, purchase a used M9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahituna Posted September 16, 2014 Share #125 Posted September 16, 2014 So close... For the production camera please add a small OLED screen showing the following: - battery life - 6-bit lens identification or manual lens ID input - Frame count / remaining frame count - Histogram of captured image I don't need to check focus or framing, but the above list would be the min. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotograph Posted September 16, 2014 Share #126 Posted September 16, 2014 I get the lack of screen, as internal menus could be altered via a Wifi app connection. But what's the deal with no on-board battery guage and card-capacity counter? Seems like it would be rather an annoyance to not know if you're running out of either in the midst of shooting. why you need it in a showcase? no one will use it - just admire, polish and be proud to have one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomB_tx Posted September 16, 2014 Share #127 Posted September 16, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) After seeing the final design, I would have bought this instead of the M9, which was my first real digital camera. I can't manage the special edition price, but if it becomes a standard product in normal M trim, I would go for it instead of the typ 240. However, I'm still happy with the A7 for all but RF wide use, and I still love the M9 color on my wide lenses, so maybe my GAS will fade. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted September 16, 2014 Share #128 Posted September 16, 2014 perhaps Leica could supply it with totally opaque goggles for the user ..... to further enhance the experience of using a blinded digital camera. they have plumbed new depths of rather pointless pretentiousness..... I suppose they could use it for extreme 'chimping' therapy or to cure 'zombie' shooters ..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted September 16, 2014 Share #129 Posted September 16, 2014 Me too. If they add a screen on the back so that i can use it to its potential when I wish to. Sounds like my M9-P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted September 16, 2014 Share #130 Posted September 16, 2014 Funny how angry some people are about this camera. I'm just (mildly) annoyed it's only a collectors' version. With some luck it may one day become a production camera - then all of the angst that people appear to have about the screen or its absence can be re-hashed all over again! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Black Posted September 16, 2014 Share #131 Posted September 16, 2014 Put me down as a +1 for someone who doesn't get it... The movie button is still there...?... How do you know if you accidentally pressed record or not? The shutter speed dial has A mode, but how do you adjust EC? How do you select DNG or JPEG? How do you set the time and date? How, how, how...?... I'm not buying one, so it hardly matters (to me), but still as a concept, I just don't get it... And why does this model get a pretty square to cover up the rangefinder adjustment opening, but the M-P get's super-sized screw? If this camera is supposed to paired via bluetooth to an iPhone or something like that to adjust settings, wouldn't that totally defeat the point of no LCD screen? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caparobertsan Posted September 16, 2014 Share #132 Posted September 16, 2014 On the rumor mill they talked about a new digital Leica with no screen. Why would it appeal to you? Screen is a wonderful tool compared to how we had to do it in the old film days. Finally! I prefer this because I am not pro so it does not matter if image did not turn out. Or no image at all because of camera issue. I want WOW effect again like film. BUT it is already possible to use wifi-SD card and transfer images to iphone on the go so you can see it. Unless Leica introduce accessory monitor and control panel. But I wish they release standard model of this camera, then I will consider buying one. I hope price will be much less than M240 series body because no screen no buttons! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
menos I M6 Posted September 17, 2014 Share #133 Posted September 17, 2014 I honestly do not get the mocking and criticism, even insulting (or at least marking down of potential users) of this camera/ concept. Are we really that daft that everything alien to our own understanding is perceived as a threat to our established ideas, so it needs to be attacked? I honestly do not understand this. Lets take this down a little, reflect and see that all here, even the most fervent of critics about this cameras' missing functionality for a very high cost, spend way too much money to take photographs, spend way too much time on this forum reflecting on distortion figures, chromatic aberration, camera leatherettes, bags and half cases, rather than being out and taking pictures. It is a camera for the sake of it. A product, some can and will buy, others not be it for whatever reason. What have the intents, skills, economic background and even the colour of the underwear of potential buyers of this product to do with anything? It is highly commendable that in 2014 a firm takes the step of producing somethings like this. It is highly polarising. The Leica MM was too until many of it's most hostile critics saw what it actually could do. Granted the M60 does not provide purely technical advantages as the (also limited in function) MM does , but to some individuals it's limitations do mean a serious advantage enough to be willing to pay for it. Once this camera goes to serial production, I will buy one. I am one of the daft people willing to compromise in comfort to retain focus on essentials. I am not an attorney, dentist or retired popstar, nor do I store my cameras behind glass, using them only with velvet gloves, nor do I fit any other here often liberally applied stereotype. This camera appeals to the same people who like their cars with manual gearboxes, their coffee makers made of metal, running on steam or their writing tools being fountain pens or lead pencils. In German we have a saying: "Was der Bauer nicht kennt, frisst er nicht" - it seems too fitting, reading some of the comments here. … oh and no, shooting a film camera does not make one user of a camera any more distinguished than one who uses a digital camera. Did this really not sunk in yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward Louis Marit Posted September 17, 2014 Share #134 Posted September 17, 2014 I don't get it! Already 5 pages of comments in this thread for a camera that none of us will ever afford! Didn't Leica just make this camera for Seal? Seal, can you please buy me one too! Who is "Seal"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
intermediatic Posted September 17, 2014 Share #135 Posted September 17, 2014 ]Mostly, but not entirely the new Leica is beyond my understanding. I am a photographer and that is what I use my M 240 for. The new Leica, coming with white gloves, appears to be intended for collectors who will not use it. If I were a collector, I would collect something besides "made for collecting" Leicas. But I am not and there are people for whom that is the highest of joys, so I guess that's ok for them. I don't get why Leica would spend so much time doing that except that this camera hints that they do indeed read this forum and thus the M 241, to be released next year, will have an ISO dial. Ok, I get that. I still find it bizarre, but I get that. I may have to buy the M 241 as that would involve significantly improved functionality, but I may not. Leica, it seems, is not made for me, but for people very different from me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Pop Posted September 17, 2014 Share #136 Posted September 17, 2014 Why would anyone want a Leica with no screen? Because they've got a history of making cameras for - oh I don't know, DECADES without them? Because just because one uses digital capture doesn't mean we are required to suffer through endless menus and bells and whistles? Because it's an exercise in reductionism? Because who cares? Don't buy Leica if you don't like the fact that they build an all black and white digital camera. Or the first digital camera without a back screen. If the price wasn't so high on this Edition 60, I'd buy one in heartbeat. It looks like a solid block of precision. People on the forum have been groaning...'what do you do when the SD card is full? How do you know about the battery? Oh no...it's the end of the world....I could never take pictures without knowing that...'. Well...maybe you don't need to take 498 pics on the card and fill it up before downloading. Maybe carry a spare battery. Maybe we can actually take pictures without all the 'necessary' information that the consumer electronics business has conditioned us to believe are necessary. It's pretty simple really....shoot the pics on the card...go home and develop in LR etc. No big crazy idea there. It's a cool as heck camera. Brilliant and stylish move on their part. Get over it people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted September 17, 2014 Share #137 Posted September 17, 2014 Dirk, you're basically right. I fall into your group regarding how I like my car gearbox, fountain pen, coffee, and why I like my Monochrom. I'm somewhat critical of the implementation, not the concept. 1. Compare this to the Monochrom was only slightly more expensive than the M9/M240 and although initially limited in supply was not a limited edition. Many people thought, and still do think, that the Monochrom was a brave/stupid idea. This is an expensive limited edition that can only be bought with a 35 Summilux and probably not accessible to many Leica users who would really want this camera. Let's see if a more accessible version goes into regular production. 2. If the idea is of a 'pure' form follows function M digital camera then I would expect a real-world user would want neck/wrist strap lugs and a cable release socket, and probably the traditional lens preview lever. 3.The B&H website has more info: Just Announced: The “Leica 60” Special Edition M Digital Rangefinder | explora "strongly centre-weighted" light meter setting only (what ever strongly means (? 80%) Battery, SD card info, camera settings are viewed through the viewfinder. It is still compatible with the EVF - good for R lens use I assume 4.Still don't know what the old video button does - maybe pressing it displays battery & SD info without otherwise cluttering the viewfinder. Drop the price for a standard production model, attend to some of the practical issues above and I'm very interested (? maybe a Monochrom ?). Having said that it would only be used on my 'purity' photography days as the screen on my M240 and Monochrom is very useful. Regards, Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted September 17, 2014 Share #138 Posted September 17, 2014 I agree, but as an expression of purity, it is a bit half baked: - there's little point in retaining the video button - no strap? - it wouldn't work for me without the USB connection as neither my MacBook Air nor my MacPro have SD card readers I could live happily with all that, but as a statement of purity, I would expect it to be pure - no video mode, unless the button serves some other purpose. One thing I couldn't work out is where is the third window for the rangefinder? I thought it would need 3 windows for the rangefinder to work ... Edited after reading Mark's post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted September 17, 2014 Share #139 Posted September 17, 2014 Hi John, I saw your edit but: There is no video. I suspect the button just activates part of the display information for SD memory & battery (but we will see) I don't think they will go back to the USB connector. Although annoying it is easy to get a USB card reader for your MBP. The third window was always for the frameline illuminator which is not needed in the M Edition 60 , like the M240, as the framelines are LED-illuminated. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlatkob Posted September 17, 2014 Share #140 Posted September 17, 2014 Or the first digital camera without a back screen. Not really. Go Pro Hero and Sony Action Cam don't have a back screen either. My first digital camera (in 2001 I think) had no screen. It was very primitive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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