mjh Posted July 3, 2014 Share #121 Posted July 3, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) I guess everybody just assumed that Leica would fix a mistake/bug/error/whatever that is as egregious as this one and stopped discussing it. That’s the point I am trying to get across: If it is a bug then demonstrating (once and for all) that it exists suffices; once the engineers know about this they will do their best to fix it. But if it is a feature then this would get you nowhere (“Yes, that’s how it works; it is supposed to work that way. Case closed.”); rather you have to convince Leica that it is a flawed design and should be changed. Realising something is a feature rather than a bug is a crucial insight so you can choose the best way to go about changing it. Repeatedly discussing this here in this forum might help, but you should really tell Leica directly if you are passionate about this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted July 3, 2014 Posted July 3, 2014 Hi mjh, Take a look here Remaining/new bugs in FW 2.0.1.5. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
thighslapper Posted July 3, 2014 Share #122 Posted July 3, 2014 It has been said that user profile issues such as the time zone should be addressed in the next FW update errr.... I wouldn't count on it ....... that was the issue of the set 'user profile' vanishing if you pressed the ISO button in the 'Set screen' and did nothing ..... and other instances where 'User' reverts to blank even if you have changed no user parameters ..... Making the Time Setting global throughout settings has never been mentioned. The firmware would need re-writing to exclude this from the saved options ..... which as far as I can see currently includes everything .... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Ash Posted July 3, 2014 Share #123 Posted July 3, 2014 There two quick fixes: a) Never change time zones, e.g. never leave Wetzlar Keep all profiles at the same settings except for time. Sarcasm off Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted July 3, 2014 Share #124 Posted July 3, 2014 There two quick fixes: a) Never change time zones, e.g. never leave Wetzlar Keep all profiles at the same settings except for time. Sarcasm off Steve c) Don't use profiles... Argh! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 3, 2014 Share #125 Posted July 3, 2014 Photographers are not supposed to be engineers per se. If they're unhappy about any flaw of their camera, be it a bug or any other beast, they are most welcome to tell it on the LUF. If LUF members had not been vocal about auto iso in manual mode, some photogs (including me) would not have been aware of the issue and Leica would not have implemented it most probably. They did it superbly and they even added an AE lock feature that was not asked for initially. So kudos to Leica, to LUF members and to engineers able to fix non-bugs when they see one around them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
srv333 Posted July 3, 2014 Share #126 Posted July 3, 2014 Wow!!! Is there such thing as the "perfect" camera out there? There will always be bugs and issues with every camera out there. Too many people are worried about whats wrong with the system they use and use it as a clutch as to why they can't capture a great image. The funny thing about all the issues stated is that 99% of them have nothing to do with actually photography itself... Maybe I am just bitter but I think too many people get carried away with what the camera can do rather than what they can do with the camera... Off my soapbox now, enjoy your day! and... your Leica M! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted July 3, 2014 Share #127 Posted July 3, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Have not been able to install update. I have downloaded the file from Leica but it did not download as a zipped file, it appears on my desktop as a blank icon and it cannot be opened. I'm running latest Mac OS and have tried both Safari and Firefox latest versions. Anyone have a suggestion? Thanks in advance! Try using a PC. My MacBook was doing something that kept the camera from seeing the file when downloaded to the memory card. I went to the library and used their computer system to download the upgrade to the memory card. The upgrade then went without a hitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 3, 2014 Share #128 Posted July 3, 2014 But do not try to unzip or access it. It is just a file to be transferred. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted July 3, 2014 Share #129 Posted July 3, 2014 errr.... I wouldn't count on it ......... I would. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted July 3, 2014 Share #130 Posted July 3, 2014 But do not try to unzip or access it. It is just a file to be transferred. To a Mac, it's not a zip file, its a Document file, with a .fw suffix. The website says it's a zip file, and it's internal structure may be zip, but with the .fw suffix the Mac can't tell. The way the file server is set up, the Mac cannot figure out even how big it is, and the web site says 9.05mg which is incorrect. It took me a dozen times to get a consistent file, but I finally got one. The file I have and works on my M240 is 9,494,837 bytes (9.5 MB on disk) in size and is a Document. So if your downloaded file is this size, you have a good file. The problem is not your Mac, it's the way the file and file server are set up. Jaapv is correct don't try to unzip it, as it's not a zip file, just copy it directly to the SD card as is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted July 3, 2014 Share #131 Posted July 3, 2014 I would. after 18 months of doing nothing about it ???? most users have never noticed and don't care. I think the time setting/profile issue will persist till the camera is replaced..... anyway they will be to busy working on AF lens implementation for the new M ....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 3, 2014 Share #132 Posted July 3, 2014 I would too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted July 3, 2014 Share #133 Posted July 3, 2014 Much like what happened with the AUTO ISO bug that caused the camera to not work like the M9 and not work right as a new feature. Remember, when you switched to Manual shutter speeds, the camera returned to the previous ISO, but continued to display AUTO instead of the previous ISO. That was a bug and basically was the proof that the design was supposed to continue on in AUTO when Manual shutter speeds were chosen. Members rationalized how this new bug was technically a feature and the virtue of the new feature took on a life of its own. A bugs life. Oh Rick! THAT WAS NOT A BUG It was absolutely intentional behaviour, and it was done as a request by Leica users who said that you should not have auto ISO in manual mode MJH and others still think this should be the case. I agree that it was a catastrophe, but it wasn't a bug It was a perfect example of how difficult this stuff can be.. Leica received xxx requests to disable Auto ISO in manual moed, and 0 requests to keep it. So they removed it. They left it saying Auto because that was what you had chosen, and what it would return to when you went back to A mode. We want them to listen to us, and this disaster (now rectified) is an example of when they did. All the best Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted July 4, 2014 Share #134 Posted July 4, 2014 Oh Rick! THAT WAS NOT A BUG Hey, don't yell at me. It makes no sense that when a user checked the ISO, it showed AUTO. The camera was no longer in AUTO mode. Once a user moved the shutter dial off of A, by definition the camera was in Manual. And, as you stated, Leica users said, "you should not have Auto ISO in manual mode." Based on that, there was not supposed to be AUTO ISO in Manual mode anymore. The camera should have reverted back to Manual ISO and displayed the ISO... not continued to display a mode (AUTO ISO) that was now verboten. If, Auto ISO wasn't allowed in Manual mode, then it shouldn't continue to display Auto... it should have displayed the manual ISO. That was the bug. And, for me anyway, that showed that Leica either programed the new code incorrectly (bug) or they didn't really understand what the new mode was all about. Could you blame them? I can see that we are going to have to drink a lot of wine before one of us gives... ps I hope we can get Leica to just drop the useless first choice. Anybody who insists on shooting that way only has to return to the menu and move the camera off AUTO and back to the ISO of their choice. Simple. Why add endless ramifying menu choices for a function that already exist by selecting the ISO manually. Maybe, I'm just too logical. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 4, 2014 Share #135 Posted July 4, 2014 Or you have your own logic. I still prefer auto iso in auto mode personally but i'm glad to be allowed to nail the shutter speed when i need so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted July 4, 2014 Share #136 Posted July 4, 2014 Or you have your own logic. I still prefer auto iso in auto mode personally but i'm glad to be allowed to nail the shutter speed when i need so. Me too. It's called regular old manual. You don't even have to dig into the Menu for it. Just Bam! It's called normal manual mode. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 4, 2014 Share #137 Posted July 4, 2014 <shakes head mode /on> Leica has given everybody what they want. And you guys are still fighting over this and are now trying to get the one or the other taken away? I don't know whether it is sad or funny...<shakes head mode /off> Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 4, 2014 Share #138 Posted July 4, 2014 Me too. It's called regular old manual. You don't even have to dig into the Menu for it. Just Bam! It's called normal manual mode. A selected on the shutter dial = auto mode but i agree it is quite handy to jump from A to a manual speed w/o having to chimp if need be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted July 4, 2014 Share #139 Posted July 4, 2014 A selected on the shutter dial = auto mode but i agree it is quite handy to jump from A to a manual speed w/o having to chimp if need be. Exactly. Now if we can just drop the broken Auto ISO mode from the MENU we would have a much more simple camera. Why have two ways to access Manual? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted July 4, 2014 Share #140 Posted July 4, 2014 As there are 3 (alright, 5) variables for exposure and at least one of them (eg aperture) is manual only, there is no "auto" mode for this camera. There is auto ISO and auto shutter speed. Try your arguments by replacing "auto" with "auto shutter speed" and see how they sound. (And a raspberry for anyone who says "auto shutter speed ISO"). For the sake of clarity the shutter speed dial should not change anything else. While I'm up here, when disactivating auto ISO by means other than selecting a manual ISO, why does the camera choose a value unrelated to the current situation? Surely the last automatically selected ISO value is more likely to be relevant than the last manually selected one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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