lct Posted July 4, 2014 Share #141 Posted July 4, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Exactly. Now if we can just drop the broken Auto ISO mode from the MENU we would have a much more simple camera How would we set max iso and exposure time then? I may be missing something but it doesn't look broken to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted July 4, 2014 Posted July 4, 2014 Hi lct, Take a look here Remaining/new bugs in FW 2.0.1.5. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
250swb Posted July 4, 2014 Share #142 Posted July 4, 2014 There two quick fixes: a) Never change time zones, e.g. never leave Wetzlar Keep all profiles at the same settings except for time. Sarcasm off Steve To paraphrase HCB 'Time is a bourgeois concept'. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted July 4, 2014 Share #143 Posted July 4, 2014 How would we set max iso and exposure time then? I may be missing something but it doesn't look broken to me. This seems like one of those things that is so obvious to me that I just don't get any other view. Can you explain this more? I may be missing something too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 4, 2014 Share #144 Posted July 4, 2014 Exactly. Now if we can just drop the broken Auto ISO mode from the MENU we would have a much more simple camera. Why have two ways to access Manual? Much more simple by one line in the menu? Come on, get real. Admit it, you want it off because it has become your pet hate. Regardless whether 97% of users are perfectly happy to have both and 2.9998%* who are not bothered.... *Note for jdlaing: figures not verified by Leica Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 4, 2014 Share #145 Posted July 4, 2014 there is no "auto" mode for this camera. There is auto ISO and auto shutter speed. There are two auto iso modes actually: - Auto iso in auto mode where the camera selects both isos and shutter speeds automatically provided the shutter speed dial is set to "A". It was an initial feature of the M240. - Auto iso in manual mode where the camera selects only isos automatically provided the shutter speed dial is set to any position but "A" or "B". This new mode has been added by FU 2.0.1.5 together with its associated AE lock feature by half pressing the shutter release. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 4, 2014 Share #146 Posted July 4, 2014 This seems like one of those things that is so obvious to me that I just don't get any other view. Can you explain this more? In auto iso in auto mode (the initial auto iso mode of the M240) i choose for instance 3200 as max iso and 1/FL as max exposure time. Then when i set the shutter speed dial to "A" the camera tries to select automatically both iso under 6400 and shutter speed above that of the corresponding focal length of the lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted July 4, 2014 Share #147 Posted July 4, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'm not sure this has been mentioned before. When exposure simulation is set on permanent, dialing EC doesn't change the image brightness until you half press the shutter release, reverting basically to the old firmware settings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 4, 2014 Share #148 Posted July 4, 2014 Known bug, Will be adressed, hopefully. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted July 4, 2014 Share #149 Posted July 4, 2014 Regardless whether 97 % of users are perfectly happy to have both and 2.9998 %* who are not bothered .. . As usual, I'm finding myself in the 0.0002 % minority Of course I am perfectly happy with the current solution that came with FW v2.0.1.5, but I am still kinda annoyed that the whole mess happened in the first place and why it took so long to fix. A couple of persons approached Leica with an ill-considered request, and Leica Camera had nothing better to do than to conform to this request, smacking the heads of all customers who failed to send e-mails with a request to keep Auto-ISO working properly. Those who are happy with things as they are don't send e-mails. So Leica Camera should have done some research on how many users really want a crippled Auto-ISO mode, and how many prefer it the way it was implemented in the M9. Or better yet, make it a user's choice in the menu right from the start. Now I am wondering which perfectly working feature will get dumbed down in Leica's next camera just because a couple of customers fail to understand how it's supposed to work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted July 4, 2014 Share #150 Posted July 4, 2014 Squeaky wheel syndrome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 4, 2014 Share #151 Posted July 4, 2014 As long as you are happy I agree that it should have been done more elegantly and certainly more quickly after Jesko's promise, as an incremental update. However, for my use the existence of both options is just about perfect, so I get annoyed by suggestions to take part away again.(which you didn't make ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted July 4, 2014 Share #152 Posted July 4, 2014 There are two auto iso modes actually:- Auto iso in auto shutter speed mode where the camera selects both isos and shutter speeds automatically provided the shutter speed dial is set to "A". It was an initial feature of the M240. - Auto iso in manual shutter speed mode where the camera selects only isos automatically provided the shutter speed dial is set to any position but "A" or "B". This new mode has been added by FU 2.0.1.5 together with its associated AE lock feature by half pressing the shutter release. FTFY Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 4, 2014 Share #153 Posted July 4, 2014 I'm afraid not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted July 4, 2014 Share #154 Posted July 4, 2014 Much more simple by one line in the menu? Come on, get real. Admit it, you want it off because it has become your pet hate. Regardless whether 97% of users are perfectly happy to have both and 2.9998%* who are not bothered.... *Note for jdlaing: figures not verified by Leica jaapv, it has nothing to do with hate. It has all to do with logic. As simply as I can put it: The old AUTO ISO was so elegant - you want AUTO ISO, you select it from the menu. When you are done with AUTO ISO, you deselect the one choice and the camera returns to Manual. The new menu has two choices that do what was done with one choice in the old system - except the return to Manual doesn't work right. It returns you to manual with the caveat that you can't check your current ISO because, the camera continues displays "AUTO" when you hit the ISO button. It still has a bug. So, it isn't about hate or not wanting people to have two choices. It is about logic, bugs, and believing that one choice that provides both options is better than two menu choices where one has a bug. I don't hate I just happen to have my own opinion. I'm glad you enjoy the choices, really. I just wouldn't have done it this way. I'd at least change the AUTO display to AUTO-200. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted July 4, 2014 Share #155 Posted July 4, 2014 I'm not sure this has been mentioned before. When exposure simulation is set on permanent, dialing EC doesn't change the image brightness until you half press the shutter release, reverting basically to the old firmware settings. LOL Hi Edward. This was discussed to the nth degree, and should be sorted next time. It's a bug (hear that Rick ). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted July 4, 2014 Share #156 Posted July 4, 2014 As usual, I'm finding myself in the 0.0002 % minority Of course I am perfectly happy with the current solution that came with FW v2.0.1.5, but I am still kinda annoyed that the whole mess happened in the first place and why it took so long to fix. A couple of persons approached Leica with an ill-considered request, and Leica Camera had nothing better to do than to conform to this request, smacking the heads of all customers who failed to send e-mails with a request to keep Auto-ISO working properly. Those who are happy with things as they are don't send e-mails. So Leica Camera should have done some research on how many users really want a crippled Auto-ISO mode, and how many prefer it the way it was implemented in the M9. Or better yet, make it a user's choice in the menu right from the start. Now I am wondering which perfectly working feature will get dumbed down in Leica's next camera just because a couple of customers fail to understand how it's supposed to work. Hi O1af The trouble is that it wasn't a couple of people with an ill- considered request. MJH for instance, and still several people here still feel that Auto ISO is inconsistent with manual mode. It didn't slip by (I Promise!). Instinctively I agree with a Rick: why do you even need the option, if you want Manual ISO in manual mode, just choose it! But it seems that this is at least a satisfactory and gentleman like compromise. Leica really are listening now, and it's unlikely something like this would happen again (here's hoping) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted July 4, 2014 Share #157 Posted July 4, 2014 jaapv, it has nothing to do with hate. It has all to do with logic. As simply as I can put it: The old AUTO ISO was so elegant - you want AUTO ISO, you select it from the menu. When you are done with AUTO ISO, you deselect the one choice and the camera returns to Manual. Hi Rick I couldn't agree more. But what I do know was that the implementation in the M9 (perfect as it was) was an oversight. A bug is something that doesn't work as intended, not something which was a bad idea. Now with the new firmware, once you have selected Auto ISO in manual mode it works just like it should (and just like the M9). Let's all be happy and head off to the pub! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted July 5, 2014 Share #158 Posted July 5, 2014 Hi RickI couldn't agree more. But what I do know was that the implementation in the M9 (perfect as it was) was an oversight. A bug is something that doesn't work as intended, not something which was a bad idea.! Jono, please go to your camera and choose the AUTO ISO, first choice. Move off of Aperture priority mode to any shutter speed. Now hit the ISO button. What ISO is displayed? AUTO! It does not show the correct ISO. That is the bug. It is displaying something that is wrong. Now with the new firmware, once you have selected Auto ISO in manual mode it works just like it should (and just like the M9). Let's all be happy and head off to the pub! Yes. The pub! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted July 5, 2014 Share #159 Posted July 5, 2014 Instinctively I agree with a Rick: why do you even need the option, if you want Manual ISO in manual mode, just choose it! But it seems that this is at least a satisfactory and gentleman like compromise. If, Steve Jobs thought this way your Mac would be a PC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 5, 2014 Share #160 Posted July 5, 2014 Jono, please go to your camera and choose the AUTO ISO, first choice. Move off of Aperture priority mode to any shutter speed. Now hit the ISO button. What ISO is displayed? AUTO! It does not show the correct ISO. That is the bug. It is displaying something that is wrong... It is not supposed to display anything else than the setting you've chosen. Same in the set menu. I can't seem to perceive any bug in that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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