lik Posted May 28, 2014 Share #1 Posted May 28, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hello Leica community It has finally happened to me. The M has fallen down because I once was too late ensuring over and over again tighten the screw for the finger loop on the multi-grip. This time I was too late. The hood of the attached Noctilux looks terrible - ironically possibly it was a somewhat as a crumple zone. All photographers who tighten this screw only rarely, are now warned. I gave the combination to my dealer to get it measured completely. My question whether for that reason I could count on warranty or goodwill, they couldn't answer. Has someone possibly experience with a case like this? Has someone ever had an M crashed? I fell down no camera for 40 years now. And now this - and because of a screw. You'll never stop learning ... With best wishes that I remain the only screw-victim lik Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted May 28, 2014 Posted May 28, 2014 Hi lik, Take a look here Screw loose - Crash with Leica M because of finger loop. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
dant Posted May 28, 2014 Share #2 Posted May 28, 2014 OP, very sorry. I don't use your item. But I do use a thin wrist strap. On 3 occasions I would have dropped my cam without the wrist strap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMJ Posted May 28, 2014 Share #3 Posted May 28, 2014 Mine kept coming loose so put a small blob of superglue (equivalent of locktite) on end of screw & tightened. Yes it does come off if you apply enough force. Been on now 6 months & still holding nicely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdannn Posted May 28, 2014 Share #4 Posted May 28, 2014 Hello Leica community It has finally happened to me. The M has fallen down because I once was too late ensuring over and over again tighten the screw for the finger loop on the multi-grip. This time I was too late. The hood of the attached Noctilux looks terrible - ironically possibly it was a somewhat as a crumple zone. All photographers who tighten this screw only rarely, are now warned. lik Sorry to hear that. Hope all turns out well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawman Posted May 28, 2014 Share #5 Posted May 28, 2014 Locktite-blue Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lik Posted May 28, 2014 Author Share #6 Posted May 28, 2014 Thanks to all of you! Yes, I considered using locktite or something like that but from time to time I prefer another solution with strap. Of course in future I will go for the superglue even though that's not Leica-like to me. I hope, the cam will be all right and the case not too expensive - in particular because I want to have the lux 28 hopefully soon... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted May 29, 2014 Share #7 Posted May 29, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) This is why I use a good, sturdy neck strap. If I always have the strap around my neck when I'm shooting (which I do), the camera is safe from a drop and smash accident. It is a little inconvenient when shooting vertically oriented images, but it is 100,000 times less inconvenient - not to mention less costly - than the situation that lik must now address. YMMV. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted May 29, 2014 Share #8 Posted May 29, 2014 Sorry to hear, that is a worst nightmare scenario. Sounds like a design flaw really and not one I will trust. Thanks for the alert! I don't like straps, I just hold the grip and I have a very thin and light lanyard on the strap lug. Although it's not strong enough to support being dangled long term it will definitely stop a drop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lik Posted May 29, 2014 Author Share #9 Posted May 29, 2014 … It is a little inconvenient …. YMMV. ...I don't like straps, I just hold the grip …. That's my ambivalence.... But I guess I'll never use again that loop for 100 €.... Thanks for your remarks lik Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted May 29, 2014 Share #10 Posted May 29, 2014 I tried the same finger loop on the X Vario. Even with the largest size it felt so uncomfortable to hold. The screw also concerned me, despite its fine and long thread. On balance, I felt the strap and grip alone gave me all the physical security I needed so I returned the finger loop. I know opinions vary; it is a very personal choice. I hope Leica treats your accident considerately. They will not want negative publicity over a small accessory. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirekti Posted May 29, 2014 Share #11 Posted May 29, 2014 Is this a strap lug that failed or something on the finger loop? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted May 30, 2014 Share #12 Posted May 30, 2014 The loops screw into one of the optional grips, not the bare camera body. They always seem to be a couple of turns loose whenever you pick the camera up. It's very mysterious. However I prefer a wrist strap or the loops to a shoulder strap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbekannter Photograph Posted June 4, 2014 Share #13 Posted June 4, 2014 Have a look here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
epand56 Posted June 5, 2014 Share #14 Posted June 5, 2014 I've been using the Leicagoodies loop for five years, on my M8 first and on my M 240 now. It is a great loop, with no screw involved and very safe. Of course I'm cheking it from time to time, but it still is good as the moment I bought it. Besides, featuring a loop for each of the two fingers, it is even more safe. Of course I only use it when i really need to keep my camera loose from the strap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 5, 2014 Share #15 Posted June 5, 2014 Another vote for Loctite blue gel. In less than a month’s use, mine had come loose twice. I would have designed it differently with clockwise spiral knurling on the mating surface of the finger loop. This would have made the screw much more self locking. It does seem to me occasionally that there is a bit of lack of smart, proactive-thinking engineers at Leica. As someone who has build race and rally cars for 50 years now, I well know that any screw/nut/bolt/stud that can come undone will do so. You therefore need to take positive and definite preventative measures to stop things coming undone. The constantly self loosening front of the 28 Summicron is another example of poor design. If you use the original hood, it will come loose. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotium Posted June 6, 2014 Share #16 Posted June 6, 2014 That is a bummer. I removed the finger loop because I was afraid this was going to happen to me. The screw was invariably a little loose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 6, 2014 Share #17 Posted June 6, 2014 This is what the mating surface of the screw should have looked like to be self locking. Wilson Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/227870-screw-loose-crash-with-leica-m-because-of-finger-loop/?do=findComment&comment=2605046'>More sharing options...
jaques Posted June 6, 2014 Share #18 Posted June 6, 2014 perhaps a spring washer would help? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 6, 2014 Share #19 Posted June 6, 2014 Jaques, I don’t think a hand tightened screw with a spring, serrated or Belleville washer would work. You would get a wobbly connection, which would be as bad as the loosening one at present. These washers are designed to be tightened by a spanner etc to compress them. The other alternative would be to put a hex socket on the screw, so that you could nip it up with a hex key, which would be provided with the loop. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogenis Posted June 6, 2014 Share #20 Posted June 6, 2014 Sturdy neck straps are not safe either, because you allways risk tripping and falling down, camera first. Or you can slip to a banana leaf (like the old comics ). Everything has a possiblity to happen. In that case you can protect the camera with that loop by not letting touch the ground Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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