jcraf Posted May 2, 2014 Share #21 Posted May 2, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Have you checked whether you have a permanent "F" on your right thumb? The F must have gone somewhere. I've had my silver chrome M since June 2013 and the black paint on the INFO button is still completely intact. The button also has the arrows (not filled). Pete. No, I've just looked on my thumb Pete, and it's nowhere to be seen. I want my money back. Regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jeff S Posted May 2, 2014 Share #22 Posted May 2, 2014 My black model always had silver arrows, but its black INFO letters are intact after 9 months. And somehow the red dot turned black. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tookaphotoof Posted May 2, 2014 Share #23 Posted May 2, 2014 No but I never had the chance to chimp on my M6 and MP. That's why I never noticed this before... Took the MP out with me first time again since I have the M240. Somehow the advance lever and shutter sound give me so much more happiness. Also, reloading HP5+ feels more fulfilling than reloading a battery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted May 2, 2014 Share #24 Posted May 2, 2014 ... my INFO button has never been black-filled... Or, at least I don't remember to have seen it black painted (4 months)... but mine is a chrome body... maybe is different ? Or have they changed ? Sorry to all... I had to be drunk this morning... tonight at home, verified that mine has black writing and arrows ; please excuse my stupidity... about the INFO writing, I was really convinced it was unpainted... and, about the arrows, I swear that I never noticed them in 4 months of usage... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/226361-is-my-sweat-really-that-corrosive/?do=findComment&comment=2581658'>More sharing options...
farnz Posted May 2, 2014 Share #25 Posted May 2, 2014 ... and, about the arrows, I swear that I never noticed them in 4 months of usage... I suspect that the secret Leica Arrows team crept into your house while you were out and lasered some arrows into your Info button, Luigi. (Some say that while they're not lasering arrows onto Info buttons their job is to sprinkle tiny amounts of the highest quality dust onto Leica digital sensors.) Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Martin Posted May 2, 2014 Share #26 Posted May 2, 2014 Here we go again with this hand made, super expensive , best you can buy equipment with no quality control that's faulty. Of course people will rush to defend it , it's just poor and shouldn't be happening but put a red dot on it and all is forgiven. If its faulty send it back it's substandard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigitalHeMan Posted May 2, 2014 Share #27 Posted May 2, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Here we go again with this hand made, super expensive , best you can buy equipment with no quality control that's faulty. Of course people will rush to defend it , it's just poor and shouldn't be happening but put a red dot on it and all is forgiven. If its faulty send it back it's substandard Yeah, the missing f will really impact the photos. Definitely worth being without for 6 weeks to get it 'fixed' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Martin Posted May 2, 2014 Share #28 Posted May 2, 2014 That's exactly my point , it shouldn't happen in the first place it's supposed to be the Rolls Royce of equipment , and why would it take 6 weeks ?? Is that good service too for this premium product . Don't get brain washed by the badge. I've got 30 year old Contax cameras with all the paint and markings still on . Why defend shoddy standards. You've paid the highest possible price but never mind take as long as you like to fix this faulty camera !! Really . If you were in charge of quality control for Leica would you say this was acceptable ?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tookaphotoof Posted May 2, 2014 Share #29 Posted May 2, 2014 I don't think I was defending Leica at all but at the same time I'm not sending my camera in to reapply the letter N and F. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcraf Posted May 2, 2014 Share #30 Posted May 2, 2014 That's exactly my point , it shouldn't happen in the first place it's supposed to be the Rolls Royce of equipment , and why would it take 6 weeks ?? Is that good service too for this premium product . Don't get brain washed by the badge. I've got 30 year old Contax cameras with all the paint and markings still on . Why defend shoddy standards. You've paid the highest possible price but never mind take as long as you like to fix this faulty camera !! Really . If you were in charge of quality control for Leica would you say this was acceptable ?? Agree. How many Porsche owners would accept Po...che 91..Ca.re. (or similar) on the rear of their cars? After only a few weeks. My 911 Carrera's badge was good after 4 decades, and it had been subject to some severe air turbulence, I can tell you........ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted May 2, 2014 Share #31 Posted May 2, 2014 Yeah, the missing f will really impact the photos. Definitely worth being without for 6 weeks to get it 'fixed' Well thank God for one thing - at least the paint on the letters "I" and "N" is still intact. If those letters were to become devoid of paint, your $7000 USD M240 would be telling you to F.O. That would certainly be just cause for sending it to Wetzlar - for an attitude calibration. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tookaphotoof Posted May 2, 2014 Share #32 Posted May 2, 2014 JCraf, we're talking about the info button on the satnav off a 911 which has the n and f fading. And in that case wouldn't be bothered to waste my time sending the car back to get it fixed. I'd simply ask them to order the parts needed and sort it when my car is in for its regular maintenance. Then again, I might not be completely normal. I'm used to driving a Caterham and a Defender. I simply buy a new car and start restoration on day one. Hope I do remember what the "i o" button stands for when I take the camera with me tomorrow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Martin Posted May 2, 2014 Share #33 Posted May 2, 2014 If as a professional photographer you supplied a customer with a high quality and expensive framed print, and the paint came off the frame in places that were clearly visible, would you tell them "never mind it's hardly noticeable it still looks the same if you don't look closely and stand back a bit " and would you expect the customer to accept it and just send it back when it suits you and they can wait 6 weeks whilst you arrange a repair ?? If you think that's a good standard then that's ok Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcraf Posted May 2, 2014 Share #34 Posted May 2, 2014 JCraf, we're talking about the info button on the satnav off a 911 which has the n and f fading. And in that case wouldn't be bothered to waste my time sending the car back to get it fixed. I'd simply ask them to order the parts needed and sort it when my car is in for its regular maintenance. Then again, I might not be completely normal. I'm used to driving a Caterham and a Defender. I simply buy a new car and start restoration on day one. Hope I do remember what the "i o" button stands for when I take the camera with me tomorrow. I think we are talking about build quality and durability of one of the most expensive imaging products (aka cameras) available today. I, for one, cannot forgive shite quality in a GBP 5000 product, whether it be cosmetic or functional. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted May 2, 2014 Share #35 Posted May 2, 2014 That's exactly my point , it shouldn't happen in the first place it's supposed to be the Rolls Royce of equipment , and why would it take 6 weeks ?? Is that good service too for this premium product . Don't get brain washed by the badge. I've got 30 year old Contax cameras with all the paint and markings still on . Why defend shoddy standards. You've paid the highest possible price but never mind take as long as you like to fix this faulty camera !! Really . If you were in charge of quality control for Leica would you say this was acceptable ?? So tell me, and everybody else, how do Leica decide at the 'quality control' stage that the infill of the lettering is likely to come off in the future? Do they know what 'products' users have on their hands? It is well known that everything from aftershave to insect repellents can remove paint. And taking six weeks to re-do it is something of an exaggeration because anybody with half an ounce of common sense will be able to rectify it themselves, and if they are short of common sense they may still be able to remember what it said anyway. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Martin Posted May 3, 2014 Share #36 Posted May 3, 2014 You test things before you go into production, if you know that people use products on their hands that can potentially have this affect you use products that can cope. Is the paint falling off people's car door handles that have been touching or using things all day at work and then drive home ? . You shouldn't be rectifying these products costing thousands of pounds, they should be up to standard to start with. These are supposed to be the best available. It's poor, and shoddy. Of course you can remember what it should look like, that's not the point. Why defend sub standard products? The six weeks to re do it was suggested I think by a user who has had this experience, I assume based on returning faulty items before. Perhaps they can start issuing a small tin of paint with the cameras in case the user decides to use aftershave one day and then forgets to put gloves on ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppyman Posted May 3, 2014 Share #37 Posted May 3, 2014 My M (typ 240) is in the chrome finish. I bought it 12 months ago and have carried it nearly daily in a satchel and shot about 6500 frames with it thus far. Often 700 frames over a few hours in a studio shoot. I was without it for three months after I fell and bounced it for a few metres across a rough stone surface. That incident left two minute nicks and fine scratches to the top edge corner above the viewfinder window only. Wipe off any finger smears and the paint is indistinguishable from new and aside from those impact marks the entire surface is immaculate as well. Over three years of carrying and shooting my M9 I do recall some paint wear to the lettering of one or two of the buttons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david strachan Posted May 3, 2014 Share #38 Posted May 3, 2014 That's exactly my point , it shouldn't happen in the first place it's supposed to be the Rolls Royce of equipment , and why would it take 6 weeks ?? Is that good service too for this premium product . Don't get brain washed by the badge. I've got 30 year old Contax cameras with all the paint and markings still on . Why defend shoddy standards. You've paid the highest possible price but never mind take as long as you like to fix this faulty camera !! Really . If you were in charge of quality control for Leica would you say this was acceptable ?? Emphasis mine. My black M8 has pretty average paint durability too. No not average, sub par! As others have mentioned almost all my camera collection still have paint in excellent order. When are we going to stop making excuses for Leica's quality control? Sure you can live with it, just have a camera which looks shoddy. And dramatically drop in value. My Leica (and Hasselblad) trained technician, scratches the hollows to "key" the new paint to the camera. It's much more durable. cheers Dave S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david strachan Posted May 3, 2014 Share #39 Posted May 3, 2014 That's exactly my point , it shouldn't happen in the first place it's supposed to be the Rolls Royce of equipment , and why would it take 6 weeks ?? Is that good service too for this premium product . Don't get brain washed by the badge. I've got 30 year old Contax cameras with all the paint and markings still on . Why defend shoddy standards. You've paid the highest possible price but never mind take as long as you like to fix this faulty camera !! Really . If you were in charge of quality control for Leica would you say this was acceptable ?? My black M8 has pretty average paint durability too. No not average, sub par! As others have mentioned almost all my camera collection still have paint in excellent order. When are we going to stop making excuses for Leica's quality control? Sure you can live with it, just have a camera which looks shoddy. And dramatically drop in value. My Leica (and Hasselblad) trained technician, scratches the hollows to "key" the new paint to the camera. It's much more durable. cheers Dave S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pklein Posted May 3, 2014 Share #40 Posted May 3, 2014 I use another somewhat rarefied German product--I play the bassoon. I remember reading years ago that one way to prevent your sweat from tarnishing the instrument's silver keys was to have your gall bladder removed. 100% effective. Now, this little fact was presented tongue in cheek, more as a fringe benefit for those unfortunate enough to need the operation. However, I believe the science behind it was sound. Perhaps it could help some of our more rarefied members in their quest for ultimate quality. However, I make no warrantee or guarantee of fitness of merchantability for any purpose. No, sir. Not going there :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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