edwardkaraa Posted May 19, 2014 Share #81 Posted May 19, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) AF sucks. I used it on my Canon and Sony DSLR. I used it on the Sony A7. It's good for some applications that I don't shoot like sports and sports, and sports. Otherwise, RF is the best way to focus I have tried in the last 35 years I have been into photography. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lct Posted May 19, 2014 Share #82 Posted May 19, 2014 Manual focus can be much better.... provided there is not too much contrast in the frame. Missed a dozen shots this week end with a Fuji E-X2 because of that. I simply could not see anything but blown highlights and black shadows in the EVF. My "obsolete" M240 was not far fortunately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted May 19, 2014 Share #83 Posted May 19, 2014 a RF will be attractive for how many people and how long ? it's over , it's from another time That’s how it has been for many years and still the M line is thriving. Leica wouldn’t want to change that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
microview Posted May 19, 2014 Share #84 Posted May 19, 2014 The only thing I would like to see …... is the snap on neck strap system, that's some particularly excellent design. One of the things that entirely puts me off the T: ugly thing that it is (although the principle's fine – they really ought to offer an eye pin with ring for conventional straps such as the excellent Artisan & Artist series). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirke Posted May 19, 2014 Share #85 Posted May 19, 2014 That’s how it has been for many years and still the M line is thriving. Leica wouldn’t want to change that. Of course but it will change and it is already changing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tookaphotoof Posted May 19, 2014 Share #86 Posted May 19, 2014 AF sucks. I used it on my Canon and Sony DSLR. I used it on the Sony A7. It's good for some applications that I don't shoot like sports and sports, and sports. Otherwise, RF is the best way to focus I have tried in the last 35 years I have been into photography. Edward, ever tried some wildlife / bird photography manual focussing? One of those things I also prefer a dslr. --- Erick, how many years have brands like Canon, Minolta, etc. stopped with their rangefinders? For as far as I know they don't make film cameras anymore either. Still, Leica still produces them together with a couple of other brands. So, with that in mind I'm not too worried about the future. And if it does I always have my MP/M6 to rely on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirke Posted May 19, 2014 Share #87 Posted May 19, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Erick, how many years have brands like Canon, Minolta, etc. stopped with their rangefinders? For as far as I know they don't make film cameras anymore either. Still, Leica still produces them together with a couple of other brands. So, with that in mind I'm not too worried about the future. And if it does I always have my MP/M6 to rely on. we shall see but that one will be my last RF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted May 19, 2014 Share #88 Posted May 19, 2014 we shall see but that one will be my last RF We’ve got it that you are not cut out for rangefinder photography. That’s OK. But the M is for those who are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 19, 2014 Share #89 Posted May 19, 2014 Edward, ever tried some wildlife / bird photography manual focussing? One of those things I also prefer a dslr. Errrmm... Exactly that is far better with manual focus in my ( not inconsiderable, I like to think) experience. AF sucks for wildlife and birds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tookaphotoof Posted May 19, 2014 Share #90 Posted May 19, 2014 Jaap, could be I haven't been practising enough, but I found it easier to autofocus. I'm also not sure if other brands do it better, but I hated my Canon lenses for not having a 'hard' stop for infinity (whatever you may call that). Love my Zeiss lenses for that, but then again, they don't have tele lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted May 19, 2014 Share #91 Posted May 19, 2014 Errrmm... Exactly that is far better with manual focus in my ( not inconsiderable, I like to think) experience. AF sucks for wildlife and birds. Nikon D800E with a big zoom nails the AF every time in my experience. M9, by comparison, was a nightmare. The thing about AF is that when it's good, it's fantastic - the top AF-S Nikons have worked flawlessly for me (compared to the iterations on compact cameras). For the price, and where Leica pitches its products, I'm hoping the AF on the T will be very good (though I'm not holding my breath). AF on the M camera would have to be exceptional to bother. Can anyone comment on the AF on the S cameras? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted May 20, 2014 Share #92 Posted May 20, 2014 Edward, ever tried some wildlife / bird photography manual focussing? One of those things I also prefer a dslr. --- Erick, how many years have brands like Canon, Minolta, etc. stopped with their rangefinders? For as far as I know they don't make film cameras anymore either. Still, Leica still produces them together with a couple of other brands. So, with that in mind I'm not too worried about the future. And if it does I always have my MP/M6 to rely on. Well you can't really shoot wildlife and birds with a RF camera, but I know several people who do that with a DSLR and manual focus lenses, with great success. AF isn't accurate enough if you're looking to get that sparkle in the eye of the subject. AF is good when the action is so fast, you would be happy to get any part of the subject in focus. IMHO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillbeers15 Posted May 20, 2014 Share #93 Posted May 20, 2014 Next M should incorporate AF lenses and accept the current MF M & R series lenses. There should be a RF mechanism to support the M lenses and to still be called a M (and to please the big RF crowd who still thinks and believe that a camera is a pure precision optical and mechanical device in the digital age not recognising that digital cameras are very much a image recording computer) and with LV and touch screen support AF to take allow users a choice to use newly developed german made 28mm to 90mm zoom and a 80mm-200mm zoom for speed and ease when required. One thing the next M should have is accepting the prime MF M wide angle and Noctilux lenses,...that in my mind that would come close to become the perfect M and yet allowing Leica to develop a series of new German made AF zoom lenses that will differentiate itself from the T series and milk more money from us. To me a AF Noctilux would not make much sense due to its razor thin DOF. I am happy to use RF and manual focus most of the time but would always wish AF avaibility when it comes to operating a zoom lens. To avoid missing the opportunity to capture the moment when one manual focuses and zoom and focus,...too slow to capture. The T must now be seen test mule for Leica to work on the next M on specs based on customer response to Leica AF lenses! If T encounters poor sales, the MF M will still trive! On the reverse if the T sells well, we will get a AF in next M sooner!......just my thoughts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted May 20, 2014 Share #94 Posted May 20, 2014 Next M should incorporate AF lenses and accept the current MF M & R series lenses. There should be a RF mechanism to support the M lenses and to still be called a M (and to please the big RF crowd who still thinks and believe that a camera is a pure precision optical and mechanical device in the digital age not recognising that digital cameras are very much a image recording computer) and with LV and touch screen support AF to take allow users a choice to use newly developed german made 28mm to 90mm zoom and a 80mm-200mm zoom for speed and ease when required. One thing the next M should have is accepting the prime MF M wide angle and Noctilux lenses,...that in my mind that would come close to become the perfect M and yet allowing Leica to develop a series of new German made AF zoom lenses that will differentiate itself from the T series and milk more money from us. To me a AF Noctilux would not make much sense due to its razor thin DOF. I am happy to use RF and manual focus most of the time but would always wish AF avaibility when it comes to operating a zoom lens. To avoid missing the opportunity to capture the moment when one manual focuses and zoom and focus,...too slow to capture. The T must now be seen test mule for Leica to work on the next M on specs based on customer response to Leica AF lenses! If T encounters poor sales, the MF M will still trive! On the reverse if the T sells well, we will get a AF in next M sooner!......just my thoughts. Why don't you buy a Canon/Nikon DSLR or a mirrorless Fuji/Sony instead? They are ready available and not wishful thinking Otherwise, if you're into luxury products, the T is just for you. As for us, annoying manual focus zealots who still stupidly think the camera should a precision optical and mechanical device, remember that it's us who have kept Leica alive until now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillbeers15 Posted May 20, 2014 Share #95 Posted May 20, 2014 Why don't you buy a Canon/Nikon DSLR or a mirrorless Fuji/Sony instead? They are ready available and not wishful thinking Otherwise, if you're into luxury products, the T is just for you. As for us, annoying manual focus zealots who still stupidly think the camera should a precision optical and mechanical device, remember that it's us who have kept Leica alive until now Your needs stopped at M9. My desire started with the M240. Frankly you're correct partially, it is the Leica glass quality that kept me to the M series and currently the M240 is the only available FF most suitable camera to employ Leica M & R lenses and not the other way around. As a business, Leica got to where it was today with the over whelming success of M9 and many ASPH lenses. To ensure future growth and healthy P&L, it needs to constantly embrace with new technology and offer the unique value above its competitors. It knows well that staying with 60 years old RF technology alone cannot continue to bring the bottom line it wants. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted May 20, 2014 Share #96 Posted May 20, 2014 Your needs stopped at M9. My desire started with the M240. Frankly you're correct partially, it is the Leica glass quality that kept me to the M series and currently the M240 is the only available FF most suitable camera to employ Leica M & R lenses and not the other way around. As a business, Leica got to where it was today with the over whelming success of M9 and many ASPH lenses. To ensure future growth and healthy P&L, it needs to constantly embrace with new technology and offer the unique value above its competitors. It knows well that staying with 60 years old RF technology alone cannot continue to bring the bottom line it wants. Thanks god that you're in the minority here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillbeers15 Posted May 31, 2014 Share #97 Posted May 31, 2014 Thanks god that you're in the minority here Read below and eat your heart out. Amateur Photographer published a series of interviews with Stefan Daniel (product manager at Leica) and Alfred Schopf (Leica's CEO). Here are the main pionts from the interviews: Leica received "very nice" amount of orders for the Leica T They chose APS-C sensor for the Leica T in order to keep the size of the camera and lenses small The Leica T sensor is made by Sony The Leica T is hand polished in Portugal Leica will not reveal the name of the manufacturer that makes Leica T lenses in Japan and apparently it is not Panasonic (I already reported rumors that the new T lenses could be produced by Sigma) In the future Leica T lenses could be produced in Germany as well The new plant in Wetzlar will provide at least a 50% increase in productivity Leica's revenue doubled in the three years after 2009 Leica produces around 1000 film cameras per year, 60% of them are sold in Japan On a potential full frame Leica T based camera, Leica's CEO answered: "Let's wait and see... Whatever I say can be misinterpreted. Might Leica show up with a full-format camera at some point, with an autofocus? Yes. Don't ask me about the design." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted May 31, 2014 Share #98 Posted May 31, 2014 I see nothing in that summary that says an M will morph into a T+ (or lose its RF essence). What I see is the logical direction for a company that has stated the goal to dramatically increase market share. If past is prologue, this likely entails both technological improvements to existing camera lines as well as broader product segmentation (witness the relatively recent development of S, X and T lines). Not mutually exclusive. Of course only time will tell. Meanwhile, lots of options. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted May 31, 2014 Share #99 Posted May 31, 2014 I see nothing in that summary that says an M will morph into a T+ (or lose its RF essence)... +1 fortunately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted May 31, 2014 Share #100 Posted May 31, 2014 Edward, ever tried some wildlife / bird photography manual focussing? One of those things I also prefer a dslr. I have. With a Leica, even (on-topic, sorry!), the R8/DMR to be specific. http://www.wildlightphoto.com, all manual focus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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