Small non-Leica APS for M lenses?

[gyoung]

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Its AA filter and lack of support for M lenses have played against it i'm afraid but i remain interested in what Sony could bring in this respect.

 

There is an 'app' for doing the picture mods in a similar way to the built in Fuji one, although reportedly only occasionally needed with the 15mm. So far I havent seen any need for it and have been happy with 'normal' adjustment in LightRoom. The AA filter is supposed to be quite mild.

I chose the nex because of problems reported elsewhere on the forum using the Fujis with M lenses and reported problems getting LightRoom to process Fuji raw files nicely. The price also helped as the nex 6 is on 'run out' prices, the 6000 is 24mp and that sensor has more problems with M lenses it seems.

 

Gerry

 

 

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[Jaybob]

Finally went for the little Fuji E-X2 after hesitating to order the Ricoh M mount. Both have sans AA filter sensors, the Ricoh is better optimized for M lenses but i prefer the built-il EVF of the Fuji and i'm impressed by the support it gives to M lenses (Fujifilm M Mount Adapter) contrary to the latest model of my otherwise favorite camera brand . Price was not a real concern but paying less than 1,000 EUR for the body, its EVF, one M mount adapter and three batteries made me smile a bit by comparison. Remains to see if the results will meet my Leica geek's expectations... Many thanks for your help anyway .

 

 

So you went with a camera that no one suggested because of a reason that only you brought up afterward as being important...I can almost guarantee you'll find something wrong with it pretty quickly, I'm leaning toward is some kind of "edge smear" or microcontrast nonsense.

 

Just out of curiosity, why wouldn't you buy the camera that "better optimized" for M lenses (whatever that means...)?

[lct]

He he! Advising consists in helping people to take their own decision my friend, which is not the advisor's necessarily :cool:.

More seriously i wanted a small digital back for my M lenses.

So i began to eliminate bodies giving the least support to M lenses i.e. the Leica T, unable to correct anything for the latters (incredible no?) and the Sony which has no dedicated adapter for them. Also the latter has an AA filter which is not the best way to translate the character of the lenses as you know.

Remained the Ricoh and the Fuji. As far as adaptation to M lenses is concerned, the Ricoh was my favorite of course given that it has been made for the latters but i did not quite like its EVF and i found it too slow for my tastes.

So the winner is... Fuji ! .

If it makes crappy pics you will know it quickly as i will post them here obviously, if only to thank you for your efforts .

[imants]

Hmmn I commend you on your adventurous spirit ltc ............fuji have a nice feel about then . Like you I hoped for a CL type but that is a no go zone first the XV now the T

[lct]

Well no more adventurous than ordering the R-D1 ten years ago... No rangefinder though .

[imants]

My old leica 35mm and the RD-1 have become a fixed lens camera I don't think the lens has been removed for about three years:cool:

[luigi bertolotti]

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lct, I didn't give advices having not direct experience on the matter... (I'm not of the "unmarried matrimonial consultant" breed... ) : but I endorse at all your choice : should I had to take a similar decision, I'd probably tend to Fuji too :

- Handled it : OK

- Have friends with it AND M lenses : OK (I received time ago some pctures of a concert from a pro friend... Fuji with Summicron 90: excellent, Fuji with Elmarit 28 : excellent with QUICK RAW dev. processing... and pros are very careful to have QUICKLY good files to send to editors)

- From Fuij site, is clear they consider their M adapter as a SERIOUS accessory : what this means in terms of support I don't know, but is evident that is part of their target for the camera.

- Appreciate that all the reviews on Fuji report that its video capabilities are "2nd class"...

 

And buying a product smart, but on apparent death path (Ricoh) is hardly a smart choice.

[Nick_S]

What is the best small APS camera for M lenses?

No Leica please as the T is not for me i'm afraid and i want a smaller body than my Ms.

By best i mean fast, quiete with the best IQ.

The lenses i'm planning to use are Skopar 21/4, Elmarit-M 28/2.8 asph, Summarit-M 35/2.5 and Summarit-M 50/2.5,

Thanks for advice

If you can do without the 50mm, would the APS-C format Ricoh GR be worth a look, as an alternative to bringing along the M lenses? You get an excellent 28mm lens in a very compact body, a good 35mm crop mode and 21mm via the accessory lens adapter.

 

Nick

[lct]

Will be my B plan if the X-E2 i've just received makes crappy pics contrary to my expectations.

[jankap]

Why APS-C? You throw away half of the M lens capacities.

 

I use a 12mm as an 18mm. That is not too bad, because a 12mm on FF really is very wide.

But my 35mm Lux serves as a 50mm only.

Would not the A7 offer that what you need: "Small non-Leica for M lenses"?

 

The coming A7s will have about 12M pixels. That is the same amount as the Ricoh M-mount, but the lenses are on a FF camera.

Jan

[lct]

But i throw away some smearing and red edge issues as well. I've been put off by the poor (to me) IQ of the Sony with M wides, let alone a shutter sound much too loud for me.

[jankap]

Is the shutter sound of the A7 loud too? It has an electronic shutter.

The electronic shutter of the Ricoh is absolutely noiseless. Due to the replay I see, that a picture is captured.

From FF to APS-C is a very severe crop to cut off red corners.

For the speed adapter the basis of the M lenses is too small for the Fuji, I suppose. Would be interesting too.

 

In Biasca - we are in Switzerland at the moment - I saw a 95 MB/s card! Biasca is in comparison to Nuremberg a very small town.

Jan

[nemeng]

I have a 2-year-old Sony Nex-5N (APS-frame) and 6-month old Sony A7R (full-frame).

 

Am about to buy the new Sony A6000 (APS) to retire the 5N.

 

Have found the 5N works fine with just about any manual-focus lens you can throw at it. M lenses, R lenses, Nikon etc. Was frustrated by its lack of a viewfinder, but bought the screw-on EVF and was happy enough, although the finder on top of the camera was really flimsy. Shutter sound was a firm and reasonably quiet little click.

 

Am upgrading to the A6000 for its 24MP files and built-in viewfinder. Don't care about AF. Hope there is no corner smearing/ magenta/ vignetting with the wide-angle Leica M lenses. Hope the shutter remains 5N "quiet".

 

The Sony A7R is my go-to camera at the moment. Have to use it with Nikon lenses as it simply does not work acceptably with M lenses with focal-lengths less than 75mm. Even my 50 cron (at f8!) has some smearing at the corners. The 35mm or 24mm are atrocious. How did the early reviewers not see this? Did money change hands to keep quiet about it? =/

 

OTOH the A7R with (quality) Nikon manual focus glass shines. 24mm AIS, 28mm AIS, Voigtlander 40mm Ultron, 55mm f3.5 micro, 105mm micro - first class results.

 

And of course, the shutter is relatively loud. Pretty annoying, but keep telling myself that it isn't as bad as the Nikon F2A/ Hasselblad 501cm I used for years... =Q

[gyoung]

Most reports have it that the nex 7 with the 24mp sensor does not do as well as the 16mp one in the nex 5n and 6. So I went for the 6 rather than the 6000.

Certainly the lenses I have perform well in terms of corner sharpness, although the 21/2.8 and 35/2 aspherics are about a stop behind their performance on film. The 15/4.5 and 28/1.9 Voigtlanders are every bit as good as they are on film, a very pleasant surprise.

 

Gerry

 

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[jankap]

In Biasca - we are in Switzerland at the moment - I saw a 95 MB/s card! Biasca is in comparison to Nuremberg a very small town.

Jan

 

At last I have bought a 95 MB/s card at Amazon for 19,69 Euro.

On the Ricoh this card is not faster than a 30 MB/s, dark phase at single exposure.

 

My dealer in the village at home sells the 30MB/s (also Sandisk and 8GB) for 18,90 Euro.

Jan

[lct]

The Sandisk 95 MB/s and 30 MB/s 8 GB cards have the same startup times on the M240 (1.7s in classic mode, 2.6s in EVF mode). Ditto on the Fuji X-E2 (about 1s in EVF mode).

[algrove]

I have a 2-year-old Sony Nex-5N (APS-frame) and 6-month old Sony A7R (full-frame).

 

Am about to buy the new Sony A6000 (APS) to retire the 5N.

 

Have found the 5N works fine with just about any manual-focus lens you can throw at it. M lenses, R lenses, Nikon etc. Was frustrated by its lack of a viewfinder, but bought the screw-on EVF and was happy enough, although the finder on top of the camera was really flimsy. Shutter sound was a firm and reasonably quiet little click.

 

Am upgrading to the A6000 for its 24MP files and built-in viewfinder. Don't care about AF. Hope there is no corner smearing/ magenta/ vignetting with the wide-angle Leica M lenses. Hope the shutter remains 5N "quiet".

 

The Sony A7R is my go-to camera at the moment. Have to use it with Nikon lenses as it simply does not work acceptably with M lenses with focal-lengths less than 75mm. Even my 50 cron (at f8!) has some smearing at the corners. The 35mm or 24mm are atrocious. How did the early reviewers not see this? Did money change hands to keep quiet about it? =/

 

OTOH the A7R with (quality) Nikon manual focus glass shines. 24mm AIS, 28mm AIS, Voigtlander 40mm Ultron, 55mm f3.5 micro, 105mm micro - first class results.

 

And of course, the shutter is relatively loud. Pretty annoying, but keep telling myself that it isn't as bad as the Nikon F2A/ Hasselblad 501cm I used for years... =Q

 

I will be interested to hear your experience with the 6000 and M lenses.