erl Posted May 9, 2014 Share #201 Posted May 9, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Enough is enough! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted May 9, 2014 Posted May 9, 2014 Hi erl, Take a look here No focus peaking???. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
StevenWithAVee Posted May 10, 2014 Share #202 Posted May 10, 2014 Trolling, thinly veiled sarcastic and insulting comment are not welcome on this forum, along with member insulting. Disagreement is always permitted but rubbishing another members belief or point of view or behaviour is not welcome. Reports have been received and are being watched. Please self moderate to save outside intervention. No matter what internet forum you are on, no matter the topic or product being discussed, the same thing always happens. One or two people seem to enjoy being annoying just for the sake of being annoying and, yes, make the threads annoying to read for everyone else. Usually it is up to the moderators to reign in this behavior. I, for one, am quite excited about the release of the T. And as I wait for the couple/several weeks before mine gets delivered I had hoped to come here and read the pros/cons/comments about my new purchase. As one does. The past few days it has become increasingly difficult to find anything of an informative nature in the threads. I hope this changes. And yes, one can learn a lot about a product by the negative comments about it. And things people wish had been included. I would not want to just read 100% love and praise about anything. That is not useful. I am not a Leica fanboy. This will be my first Leica purchase. I do not plan to use this camera as jewelry. I know the difference between jpegs and raw files. I shoot in manual mode 99% of the time. And I know this is not a 100% perfect camera. But it suits my needs(wants) and budget at the time. I hope over the next few weeks I can actually learn more about my upcoming purchase here instead of reading the same couple of people making a hundred argumentative posts a day just to be argumentative... That stuff gets old after a very short time. I'm sorry if this post is out of place. And I do not mean to "feed the trolls" further. I am more of forum reader than a poster. But sometimes they just get hard(annoying) to read... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imants Posted May 10, 2014 Share #203 Posted May 10, 2014 manufacturers know that the public is easily led into addiction, newer and so called better short life span products feed that psycho addiction...........cameras, phones, fashion cars the list is endless. It is like having a 3 of a kind in poker always looking for that other card:cool: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted May 10, 2014 Share #204 Posted May 10, 2014 Do you not see the blue smiley face? I am making a joke about it.... as in lay on the couch and tell me when did you realize you hated your father. This is a typical joke about therapists. Not aimed at you. So what features of the T will have the most weight in your purchase decision? AlanG, Blue smiley faces do not take the sting out of some remarks. Quoting an alleged joke in certain contexts does remove the humour. I recommend you refrain from direct interaction with theboch as this is disruptive to forum harmony. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imants Posted May 10, 2014 Share #205 Posted May 10, 2014 So what features of the T will have the most weight in your purchase decision? easy ......................... why use a old brush when you can buy a new one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imants Posted May 10, 2014 Share #206 Posted May 10, 2014 .......and still use the old brush Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted May 10, 2014 Share #207 Posted May 10, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) AlanG, Blue smiley faces do not take the sting out of some remarks. Quoting an alleged joke in certain contexts does remove the humour. I recommend you refrain from direct interaction with theboch as this is disruptive to forum harmony. Sorry. I won't comment on his posts again and will assume that what he writes is serious unless indicated otherwise.I certainly did not want to see this turn in direction. But, are you ready for this... I have nothing more to say about this camera beyond, I hope all the buyers are happy with it. Got a new girlfriend now and will be busy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted May 10, 2014 Share #208 Posted May 10, 2014 Sorry. I won't comment on his posts again and will assume that what he writes is serious unless indicated otherwise.I certainly did not want to see this turn in direction. But, are you ready for this... I have nothing more to say about this camera beyond, I hope all the buyers are happy with it. Got a new girlfriend now and will be busy. Congratulations Alan. I sincerely hope you'll be very happy together! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboch Posted May 10, 2014 Share #209 Posted May 10, 2014 I'm very sorry for letting me drag into an argument with Alan and want to excuse me. I know it did add even more non-sense posts to this thread. Usually I'm more self-controlled, but after again and again in every thread about the T reading Alan´s argument about the T being a $500 NEX etc. I just needed to say something. I just wanted to make clear to him (in a "funny" and exaggerated way) that for a lot of people (including me) there is more in buying a camera than just comparing two spec sheets and the price on paper. I really hoped he would understand that and refrain from further discussing the price of the camera and rubbing it in our faces in every thread that the same "camera" could be purchased for 1/10th of the price... I think almost everyone if not everybody here on the Leica discussion board is absolutely clear about the fact that Leica is way more expensive than other manufacturers and that on paper they are most of the time cameras which are cheaper and have more features. But we swallow that pill and are here to learn about the products and enlighten each other about our experiences when using them. This is why posts by Jono Slack for example, which has used the camera a very long period in different scenarios, have a lot of weight for me and are useful for me understanding how the T performs. But knowing that the T sports an "old and outdated" sensor brings nothing to the table... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 10, 2014 Share #210 Posted May 10, 2014 Got a new girlfriend now and will be busy.Get some new camera as well and all will be back to normal. Especially if you use the two in conjunction. Long may it last. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve P Posted May 10, 2014 Share #211 Posted May 10, 2014 Get some new camera as well and all will be back to normal. Especially if you use the two in conjunction. Long may it last. Try the T! (I'll get me coat). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spylaw4 Posted May 10, 2014 Share #212 Posted May 10, 2014 Perhaps is is about time to close down this thread? Seems to be going nowhere/round in circles. A fresh start is called for? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imants Posted May 10, 2014 Share #213 Posted May 10, 2014 ..........it hasn't peaked yet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted May 10, 2014 Share #214 Posted May 10, 2014 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
satijntje Posted May 11, 2014 Share #215 Posted May 11, 2014 During my visit to the new factory in Wetzlar, I had he opportunity to see and handle the new T. I do not regret that I have ordered it. Had my 50mm Summilux ASPH adapted, focussing seems really easy with the LCD screen. The Leica employee that was giving the demonstration mentioned that there MIGHT be a future software update that will include focus peaking! So the issue is not out of the world. If the processor would be to weak, I assume that Leica would not give such a statement! The T will be available for sale in the factory store in Wetzlar from 24th onwards. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted May 12, 2014 Share #216 Posted May 12, 2014 I don't think there is any need to apologise, theboch. The truth of the matter is that some forum members (me included) have looked at what Jono and others have posted and have decided to give the T a go. In my case, if coincided with my frustration with the A7r and my decision to sell it and get out of the Sony system. I had owned a NEX with microlenses suitable for M lenses, and I gave that to my son. The proceeds of the sale of my A7r will offset the cost of the T nicely. Now, I can understand Alan looking at the spec sheets and saying the T is over priced. Easy to say on any Leica gear. He can also say that he prefers the greater options provided by his NEX6 camera, and the price. But he went further and criticised the T as a photographic tool, without ever having tried the camera. At that point I lost interest. I look forward to informative discussions from people who have used the camera - this one isn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted May 12, 2014 Share #217 Posted May 12, 2014 Now, I can understand Alan looking at the spec sheets and saying the T is over priced. Easy to say on any Leica gear. He can also say that he prefers the greater options provided by his NEX6 camera, and the price. But he went further and criticised the T as a photographic tool, without ever having tried the camera. At that point I lost interest. Please leave me out of this discussion as I have dropped out and I don't appreciate having my statements characterized this way. Specifically any camera can take good photos and thus works as a photographic tool. The T is certainly much more limited as a photographic tool than numerous other camera systems in various ways. There is nothing debatable about that fact... only to the extent it will matter to each user. E.g. there are only 2 AF lenses for it now and how many for Canon, Nikon, Sony, Fuji, Olympus, Sigma, Pentax, Samsung, Hasselblad, Phase One, and Panasonic? You don't have to use the camera to understand how that will be a limitation. Nor do you have to use it to know you can't use the EVF and an external flash at the same time. (Using the pop up flash for this is not a solution.) Or you can't plug a monitor into it. Of course you don't want me to go on enumerating these things because I am just repeating myself ad nauseam. So why keep making the same points if you understand the validity of the arguments against them from all of my previous attempts at objective critiques? I assume it will be capable of producing photos of the highest technical standard within the limitations of that sensor and its features and lenses. So of course some people will make great photos with it and it will serve as a nice photographic tool for them. Isn't this always the case with any camera? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted May 12, 2014 Share #218 Posted May 12, 2014 That is the unfortunate fact of an internet discussion - your statements remain online long after you have left. I stand by my "characterisation" as it is an accurate repetition of what Alan has said on more than one occasion. Unless, he has actually tried the camera, in which case I apologise for the assumption on my part. I'm not sure that potential T camera buyers are really that interested in what are described as "limitations". My M9 actually has greater limitations (the only settings are aperture, shutter, ISO and white balance, and it's manual focus), yet it takes great photos. I make these comments for general interest, not in any attempt to lure Alan back into the discussion. Cheers John PS - Alan edited his post after my response. My interest is in ease of use and image quality - not features. There are plenty of lenses available (all the M lenses), I don't use flash ... I could go on because you are identifying things that the camera is not. I am much more interested in things it is supposed to do, but does not do well - image quality. I have no idea why anyone would buy this camera for things it plainly doesn't do, or criticises it for something it isn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted May 12, 2014 Share #219 Posted May 12, 2014 Please leave me out of this discussion as I have dropped out and I don't appreciate having my statements characterized this way. Specifically any camera can take good photos and thus works as a photographic tool. Dropped out? Yet you continue to comment. Hmm. The T is certainly much more limited as a photographic tool than numerous other camera systems in all sorts of ways. There is nothing debatable about that fact... only to the extent it will matter to each user. E.g. there are only 2 AF lenses for it now. You don't have to use the camera to understand how that will be a limitation. Nor do you have to use it to know you can't use the EVF and a flash at the same time. Or you can't plug a monitor into it. Limitations are more about the hands holding the tool. eg. Any basic Leica M. (very limited tool) which still seem to produce excellent images in skilled hands. Maybe the real limitations are imbued in the inability to choose the right tool for the task, and understanding the match required between tool and task. Of course you don't want me to go on enumerating these things because I am just repeating myself ad nauseum. So why keep making the same points if you understand the validity of the arguments against them? ad nauseum does require counter balancing, or an emetic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted May 12, 2014 Share #220 Posted May 12, 2014 As long we're talking about annoying one another, I'll be pedantic…it's ad nauseam. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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