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Do I have "all the above" option?

 

Seriously, aesthetics matters for me for anything which is visible to others. I don't consider that show off. Of course I have my own decision engine (just like others) and nobody is allowed to question it.

 

Absolutely... that is also my point.

 

I think more "positive vibes" would help the discussions here

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GAS...now the truth comes out.

 

Thanks for the support. To clarify, I've posted on 4 threads. I've owned dozens of cameras and only one Sony. I said I only bought the Nex 6 because of the small lens. I definitely do not achieve the highest technical phographic standards by using it due to numerous compromises. It is useful to me and I think with it priced at $524 it could be the best current choice in this segment for those who are price conscious. There are many other choices. No other similar cameras cost anywhere close to a T.

 

The T certainly appeals to some for tactile and emotional reasons that you have eluded to. And that is the key to the marketing. If you can afford it and get sufficient pleasure from those attributes that is fine with me. But I am discussing its merrits as a photographic tool...nothing more.

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.....But I am discussing its merrits as a photographic tool...nothing more.

 

... but my NEX6+50lux picture is made to look good by my M9

which is a damn good photographic tool even if hard to justify by cost/benefit analysis. I guess same may be true for T or it won't sell (I don't believe anybody paying that much $$ will accept mediocre performance). Time will tell.

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GAS...now the truth comes out.

 

Oh come on... as so many people which buy a new camera absolutely need the new features to make better pictures... I think even a lot of professionals which make money as a photographer sometimes buy new gear because they want it and do not need it.

 

If that is not the case for you, you can be happy not to be affected by this addiction

 

The T certainly appeals to some for tactile and emotional reasons that you have eluded to. And that is the key to the marketing. If you can afford it and get sufficient pleasure from those attributes that is fine with me. But I am discussing its merrits as a photographic tool...nothing more.

 

Have I eluded to that reasons to buy the camera or to justify the purchase? Absolutely not, but they are the key differentiator for me to buy the T camera instead of a NEX.

 

And you have to be honest, that if we keep the price discussion aside, that the T camera and the lenses are well made products which will deliver a great output.

 

By the way, I also own a Sony A7R which for me is a great camera...

 

I just wanted to bring some honest and "down to earth" feedback on the whole discussion here and bringt it back to a level where it makes sense and we are not coming back to the same discussion of the price again and again.

 

But I see that some people are just like concrete walls...

 

I'm out of this discussion too. Too much "bad energy" and insulting around here (only rich non-skilled people will buy the T camera etc.)...

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Gee, it seems you need to be a psychologist to post here. Cameras elicit more emotion than I thought.

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Gee, it seems you need to be a psychologist to post here. Cameras elicit more emotion than I thought.

 

Insulting people as you have is what elicits emotions. I don't expect you to grok this.

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There has been enough discussion on this thread about more features/less features in a camera and it can be argued ad nauseam but whatever its worth let me tell you one about one incidence....

 

A long long time ago (ok.. last year

) I was shooting a beautiful landscape with my friend who was using 5D III and I was using M9. His camera has two card slots and he had assigned one memory slot for raw and the other for preview jpegs. Soon his camera told him that the main memory slot is full. He *assumed* that the camera will start writing to the secondary slot which had lots of capacity left, but his camera didn't start writing raw pics on the other slot. After the shoot when we came back, he only had small sized preview jpegs for the shots after the main slot was full. The camera allowed him to continue shooting !!

 

I guess lesson is obvious. If your camera has more features then you better learn how to use it.(and note that my friend didn't *need* two memory slots).

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BTW, My NEX-6 looks good with 50 Lux too !!

 

(BUT... I am hoping T will look even better).

except for the black blob on top which is like putting a bull bar on a Porsche......

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except for the black blob on top which is like putting a bull bar on a Porsche......

 

Hey...How do you dare to compare my NEX to Porsche !!

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Insulting people as you have is what elicits emotions. I don't expect you to grok this.

 

If people are insulted by that then they really need help. One posted that GAS is like drug addiction. That seems to me to be a psychological issue that I can't explain as a photographer.

 

"I like to feel the solid body of the M, I love to touch the well made T lenses, I love believing I'm buying a part of a famous historical german company which made cameras since the early beginnings."

 

I truly hope that post is as sarcastic as it seems.

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If people are insulted by that then they really need help. One posted that GAS is like drug addiction. That seems to me to be a psychological issue that I can't explain as a photographer. "I like to feel the solid body of the M' date=' I love to touch the well made T lenses, I love believing I'm buying a part of a famous historical german company which made cameras since the early beginnings." I truly hope that post is as sarcastic as it seems.[/quote']

 

The comparison to drug addiction was of course not meant like that... everything was written with a big smile to ease the conversation, but surely holds a bit truth in it.

 

My description of the emotional decision points when buying a camera might be a little bit exagerated and I am no native english speaker.

 

But yet you continue to insult people - me for exapmle, as a person with psychic problems... Pardon?!

 

Please look over the last posts and decide by yourself who posted agressive and offensive words...

 

It is easy to call names on everybody who does not comply with your opinion or the way you communicate here ;-)

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The comparison to drug addiction was of course not meant like that... everything was written with a big smile to ease the conversation, but surely holds a bit truth in it.

 

My description of the emotional decision points when buying a camera might be a little bit exagerated and I am no native english speaker.

 

But yet you continue to insult people - me for exapmle, as a person with psychic problems... Pardon?!

 

Please look over the last posts and decide by yourself who posted agressive and offensive words...

 

It is easy to call names on everybody who does not comply with your opinion or the way you communicate here ;-)

 

Sorry but I had no impression you were being serious...you even used a smiley face. And I wonder if you are serious now. In any case my therapist advised me that on-line posting would help my issues. But once we stray from specific points about pros and cons of gear, personal characteristics and emotions do rise up. I don't think my posts are focused much on anyone's emotions but it is interesting for me to see the ways people connect with their gear. That is something I did not know. Owning fancy cameras is actually important in some way besides taking photos with them?

 

So if serious, tell me, why do you like fondling cameras and how long have you felt a need to do that?

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Sorry but I had no impression you were being serious...you even used a smiley face. And I wonder if you are serious now. In any case my therapist advised me that on-line posting would help my issues.

 

Like I said. I am surely exaggerated some points.

 

But I stand by my point that I do not have to let you call me or other people here a psych...

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Sorry but I had no impression you were being serious...you even used a smiley face. And I wonder if you are serious now. In any case my therapist advised me that on-line posting would help my issues. But once we stray from specific points about pros and cons of gear' date=' personal characteristics and emotions do rise up. I don't think my posts are focused much on anyone's emotions but it is interesting for me to see the ways people connect with their gear. That is something I did not know. So if serious, tell me, why do you like fondling cameras and how long have you felt a need to do that? [/quote']

 

You know exactly that I am surely was not talking about "camera fondling"...

 

I have to remember myself to an important rule: Do not feed the trolls...

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Geeeez... all this would have been avoided if only T had focus peaking !!

 

Yes I hope Leica learned this one ;-)

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Like I said. I am surely exaggerated some points.

 

But I stand by my point that I do not have to let you call me or other people here a psych...

 

Well excuse me for thinking it was a joke.

 

Where did I call anyone a psych...? (Whatever that is.) I said that one needs to be a psychologist to understand what is going on with some of these comments.. And I stand by that. Some posts have an undercurrent based on brand ownership, identification, loyalty, etc. I can surely identify that but don't quite understand what is going on since I am not a psychologist. Even your post referenced how some people behave and mocked it at the same time. Read it over again. What is going on with you saying that?

 

BTW one doesn't have to have anything "crazy" about them for their motivations to require a psychologist's explanation for me to understand them. I simply don't understand the motivations and connections for cameras that you describe. Perhaps you can enlighten me. It is mostly a satisfaction of ownership of some sort? Remember you brought this subject up. I was content to just discus features and price.

 

And in your post you were not clear that there was anything serious in it and the line between the serious and the joke eluded me. Well surely I need a psychologist even if you don't.

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Trolling, thinly veiled sarcastic and insulting comment are not welcome on this forum, along with member insulting. Disagreement is always permitted but rubbishing another members belief or point of view or behaviour is not welcome.

 

Reports have been received and are being watched. Please self moderate to save outside intervention.

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You know exactly that I am surely was not talking about "camera fondling"...

 

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Do you not see the blue smiley face? I am making a joke about it.... as in lay on the couch and tell me when did you realize you hated your father. This is a typical joke about therapists. Not aimed at you.

 

So what features of the T will have the most weight in your purchase decision?

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