algrove Posted July 15, 2015 Share #401 Posted July 15, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) As you seemed to be the most troubled by the freeze I always thought you were our best hope for a solution. However you seem to have adopted a strategy of randomising to the max - buying cameras by the score, having Leica change them willy nilly, selling cameras haphazardly. I understand you only wanted what you thought was best for you, but crickey. As this is my five hundredth post, I will take the liberty of using a rude word (not at all related to the topic). Buttocks. You don't have to be rude to get me to reply. All my posts were for heads up purposes for you and others and look what it got me from you! Willy nilly?-First, I spent lots of time in Solms explaining lockup issues to them without acknowledgement they even existed and that required a 15 hour trip from the US. Leica much later told me the shutter replacements were necessary. I sent two in because after much consternation I thought that the best appraoch at the time. Then the M-P came out and I thought perhaps the larger buffer would help me, which it initially did until lockups again started to surface on that camera. After downloading images into LR, I realized that the lockups occurred where old images showed up on reformatted cards that I downloaded into LR. Then I tried SD Formatter and the lockups stopped. So thanks to you, guess it's time to stop giving real life experiences so others can learn any potential pitfalls. No more advice from me so that assholes can ridicule my findings and experiences. Selling cameras "haphazardly"-stop right there. And I always thought people from Luxembourg to be gentlemanly. Guess I was wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted July 15, 2015 Posted July 15, 2015 Hi algrove, Take a look here Anyone figure out why the 240 freezes up?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Rick Posted July 15, 2015 Share #402 Posted July 15, 2015 As you seemed to be the most troubled by the freeze I always thought you were our best hope for a solution. However you seem to have adopted a strategy of randomising to the max - buying cameras by the score, having Leica change them willy nilly, selling cameras haphazardly. I understand you only wanted what you thought was best for you, but crickey. As this is my five hundredth post, I will take the liberty of using a rude word (not at all related to the topic). Buttocks. Lou is one of the best contributors here on the forum. He is also one of the most polite. Your post was uncalled for. You post a lot here on the forum and in my estimation never really have anything of use... and now this post. I've lost complete respect for you. Oh, get spell check, would you. If, you want to call Lou's post BS you should have written "bollocks." Rick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted July 15, 2015 Share #403 Posted July 15, 2015 Ok several misunderstandings all round. I'll try to clear one of them up - the "buttocks" (not at all related to the topic) was my way of celebrating five hundred posts (of limited use, I grant you) and not a comment on the topic. I'm sorry I got your backs up; I'm a Mancunian not a Luxembourger. (Depending on which people from Manchester you have met that might or mightn't explain everything.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted July 15, 2015 Share #404 Posted July 15, 2015 First, I spent lots of time in Solms explaining lockup issues to them without acknowledgement they even existed and that required a 15 hour trip from the US. Leica much later told me the shutter replacements were necessary. I sent two in because after much consternation I thought that the best appraoch at the time. Then the M-P came out and I thought perhaps the larger buffer would help me, which it initially did until lockups again started to surface on that camera. After downloading images into LR, I realized that the lockups occurred where old images showed up on reformatted cards that I downloaded into LR. Then I tried SD Formatter and the lockups stopped. Most helpful, thanks Lou. As discussed on another thread, I've had a few lock ups with my camera - unrelated to Live View, EVF, Video, continuous shooting or anything like that (my camera has none of these things), similarly unrelated to temperature. It also has nothing to do with the buffer. What happened with me is I'd take a picture, the red "write" LED would come on at the back of the camera, and stay on. The shutter never fired, and to re-establish harmony in the universe, I'd have to remove the battery (a hassle). Leica's initial response was to say they could replace the shutter, and it might (or might not) make a difference. No firmware updates were proposed for this camera, so I was in a bit of a hole. Leica asked me to send the camera to Wetzlar, and there it rests. Leica's digital repair log says it has been "in repair" since 10 July. The log is a nice idea, but not very informative. I have a suspicion that SD Formatter might actually be the answer. I had been using a SanDisk Extreme Pro 16GB 95mb/s card, so that shouldn't have been a problem. Cheers John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kilmister Posted July 15, 2015 Share #405 Posted July 15, 2015 My wife would immediately ask you whether you were blue or red. Don't ask me why, but, having been born there, every time someone mentions Manchester she gets into football mode. I am a country boy but lived in the UK's biggest city for 15 years. You probably think that city is London. If you do then you are wrong. The city of London is tiny. Now guess again. The first Leica I ever saw was there ... in a shop in Corporation St. I fell in love with it but couldn't afford it. Had I bought it and it had frozen I would have accepted that. We'd have found a solution. Trust what you love and it will all be OK. Don't be too picky. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roey Posted July 15, 2015 Share #406 Posted July 15, 2015 I have a suspicion that SD Formatter might actually be the answer. I had been using a SanDisk Extreme Pro 16GB 95mb/s card, so that shouldn't have been a problem. I am experiencing the same freezes. I had Leica replace the shutter. I have been using SD Formatter with various cards. Nothing has helped. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted July 16, 2015 Share #407 Posted July 16, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) How does it look like now with the latest 2.0.2.5 - any feedback here? Thanx Axel It's only been a week but the new firmware has been solid, so far. No lockups, even with heavy live view use, pushing buttons when I shouldn't etc. My fingers and toes are crossed. I should say that even with the old firmware, I rarely had lockups. Three or four in over a year. All when using the EVF and flash via the multi grip and TTL extension. Also, one of my M's (first version) is at Wetzlar on holidays and I only have my newer M-P at the moment. Gordon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vmoritz Posted July 17, 2015 Share #408 Posted July 17, 2015 I'm a relatively new user but managed to lock up my camera almost every time I took it out. I was shooting on continuous for a multiple exposure project. I haven't had a lock up with the updated firmware- yet, here's hoping the problem is fixed. Flash exposure compensation is a plus. Still have the problem of LV/EVF being darker than the final image at night. Maybe this will be a fix for the next model! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carduelis Posted July 17, 2015 Share #409 Posted July 17, 2015 I have had quite few lock ups on my M240 that I have discussed on another related thread. I also mentioned that I lost my Leica labelled EVF back in May whilst visiting Riga, Latvia and fortunately managed to buy a replacement from a newly opened Leica camera store there. Guess what? - I have not had any lock ups since which sort of cures my anguish at having to fork out for another EVF. Here's keeping my fingers crossed for the future. I think I might treat it to a nice half case overcoat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdw Posted July 17, 2015 Share #410 Posted July 17, 2015 I have never had any issues with lockups with my EVF or without, with two M 240 bodies. Knock on wood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rscheffler Posted July 20, 2015 Share #411 Posted July 20, 2015 How does it look like now with the latest 2.0.2.5 - any feedback here? Thanx Axel I didn't even think about this until today, but I shot about 3000 images at an event the other day and did not have a lock-up. This is remarkable because I have always (and I do mean every single time) had 2-3 lock-ups at similarly image-heavy outings. Let's hope this is the new norm and not a fluke! Camera usage was as before - continuous advance and minimal use of live view. No EVF use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewDD Posted July 21, 2015 Share #412 Posted July 21, 2015 I have had terrible lock-up problems ever since I bought the camera, which were greatly improved when I started using SDFormatter. I recently upgraded to the latest firmware, and also bought a SanDisk Extreme PRO 64GB card. Fingers crossed - I haven't had a lockup since. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verteidiger Posted July 21, 2015 Share #413 Posted July 21, 2015 How does it look like now with the latest 2.0.2.5 - any feedback here? Thanx Axel Had my first lockup with the new firmware, LV, single frame, recommended 64-MB-SD-card, battery at 80 %, not too hot, not too cold ... - but: I did not have to take the battery out and put it back in again as before. Just switching the camera off and on again was sufficient. Big improvement! (Alas, the picture was not taken.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbdecker Posted July 21, 2015 Share #414 Posted July 21, 2015 Just turned my camera on about 20 minutes ago, took 2 shots (testing an aperture idea I had) closing down the lens from 1.4 to 2 then 2.8 the camera froze on 2.8 and I needed to power cycle the camera. Lux 35 asp fle on m240 with .15 firmware. The weather is cold today here, indoors and the camera was sealed away in its camera bag. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbdecker Posted July 21, 2015 Share #415 Posted July 21, 2015 sorry firmware is 2.0.2.5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
acordes Posted July 23, 2015 Share #416 Posted July 23, 2015 I have had terrible lock-up problems ever since I bought the camera, which were greatly improved when I started using SDFormatter. I recently upgraded to the latest firmware, and also bought a SanDisk Extreme PRO 64GB card. Fingers crossed - I haven't had a lockup since. >SanDisk Extreme PRO 64GB Did definitely help to get better with the old FW but problem was still there. Now running the new - but it's too early, as I had it ~one time about two months... Will come back later and report! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rscheffler Posted July 28, 2015 Share #417 Posted July 28, 2015 I didn't even think about this until today, but I shot about 3000 images at an event the other day and did not have a lock-up. This is remarkable because I have always (and I do mean every single time) had 2-3 lock-ups at similarly image-heavy outings. Let's hope this is the new norm and not a fluke! Camera usage was as before - continuous advance and minimal use of live view. No EVF use. Should have mentioned in the above quote I was using the new firmware. I had my first lock-up with the new firmware a couple days ago. Was shooting in direct sunlight on a very hot day (for where I live) of just over 30˚C, but of course, in direct sunlight, it felt hotter. The camera had been out in the sun for some time, so was quite warm to the touch. Not sure how much this was a factor. Lock-up was an unresponsive shutter release with a solid red card activity LED. Didn't try turning it off, just did the automatic reaction of pulling the battery, which successfully reset the camera as well as the previously last saved settings (when it was last properly turned off). This happened during some rather heavy shooting, on continuous advance, after probably 400-500 frames, but no EVF or live view use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 28, 2015 Share #418 Posted July 28, 2015 How many frames were you shooting in C mode? Just curious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rscheffler Posted July 29, 2015 Share #419 Posted July 29, 2015 I always leave the camera in C mode. At the instance where it froze, it was just after a lull in the event. Upon it resuming, I shot a couple frames and it froze, IIRC. I don't tend to spray and pray with the M because it's simply not fast enough for that kind of thing, but leaving it in C mode is habit now. Just works better for me. There were more than a few times throughout the event where I filled the buffer and the camera worked fine. Thinking back to past lock-ups, I can't really think of a consistent set of events that causes it to happen. Sometimes it has been during constant shooting, where you'd expect the camera to be a bit overloaded, but I wouldn't say that was the majority, either. There have been enough times like the instance above, where I had been shooting a lot, took a break, resumed with the lock-up happening immediately at that point... It could very well be there is something specifically wrong with my camera. My hunch is it could be the shutter malfunctioning sometimes. Back a year ago there was a period where I got random black frames. But it happened maybe less than 10 times. Yes, I should send the camera to Leica, but as I've posted before, I use the camera a fair amount as part of my overall system (combo of DSLR and rangefinder) and would be loath to be without it for some time. Maybe later in the year when I'm not as busy with the kinds of events where I use it a lot... Anyway, the last wedding I did was the first with the new firmware, and had no lock-ups, which was the first time since I probably got the camera. I have a couple more later this week, so will see if it continues without lock-ups. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rscheffler Posted August 4, 2015 Share #420 Posted August 4, 2015 Follow up after about 5000 frames "in anger" with the M240 at client events. No lock-ups during any of this time. Very happy about this! However, still had a lock-up yesterday during casual shooting. I was using live view some of the time, but not at the time of the actual lock-up. Total frames shot was probably around 100, near the end of which, I did a ~5 frame sequence on continuous advance, where the last two frames suddenly jumped to a higher fps rate. As I've posted before, whenever I've heard this happen, I knew the camera malfunctioned and those frames have not been captured. The red light continued to blink indefinitely, but I lost patience after about 30 seconds and turned off the camera. Turning it back on again, without pulling the battery, was sufficient to continue shooting, but all frames in the sequence were lost (around 5 or so in total). I've read here on LUF that if one waits for the red light to eventually stop flashing, perhaps many minutes later, that some images will be transferred to the card. Usually I don't have time or the patience to wait, therefore haven't tested this theory myself. Still wondering if this particular problem of the sudden jump to a higher fps shooting rate might be a shutter problem specific to my camera... It doesn't happen all that often and has probably been the least typical type of M240 lock-up. Has anyone experienced similar? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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