earleygallery Posted February 24, 2014 Share #21 Posted February 24, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) As an aside I see there's another thread running where the poster is pondering if a Summilux is fast enough or should they be going for a Noctilux. If Leica could make a f0.5 lens (or whatever) I'm sure we'd see 'is the Noctilux fast enough or do I need to Incredilux?' type threads! If the concern is that having just bought it that you can exchange the lens with the dealer for a Summilux without the hassle of selling it, then maybe give it some consideration but maybe try the Summilux first, I'm sure the dealer will let you shoot some test images and examine them before having to commit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 Hi earleygallery, Take a look here I picked up a Summicron... should I have gone for the Summilux?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
imsilly Posted February 24, 2014 Share #22 Posted February 24, 2014 Rather then going longer and faster, try wider with a slower shutter speed. I have found shooting street at dusk with a 28mm Elmarit is possible if your subjects aren't moving. If you are shooting moving subjects in the dark you are probably going to need a top end DSLR anyway, so the lens selection part goes out the window. Unless you like movement blur and often it actually looks pretty nice, especially on grainy film. The trick is to have a steady hand and catch the subject when they are still. A wider angle lens will allow you to drop your shutter speed of 1/30th because of Leica's lack of mirror slap. That is enough time for me to shoot subjects using regular 400 ISO film, so I suspect a M9 would be fine. When everything else fails there is always flash. Some people are scared of flash, but in reality it's much easier to manipulate artificial light then natural light. Even a smaller speed light bounced off a ceiling, wall, reflector, or diffused will give you good results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 24, 2014 Share #23 Posted February 24, 2014 I don't think there is much of a difference between the M and the top offerings of other brands in low light shooting, especially if one vectors the generally faster lenses and long-shutterspeed handling in. I don't think mirror slap is that much of a factor, I would think things like size vs weight, i.e. mass vs movement arm are more important. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted February 24, 2014 Share #24 Posted February 24, 2014 The 35 /2/ asph is indeed a magical lens. Don't sell it if you don't' have to: ik ben al groot " You can buy a 50/1,4 asph later. It's one of a kind! See for yourself. Here are some samples. Saint Michaels Castle " Sint Michielsgestel" Brabant - pauljoostenfotograaf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
w44neg Posted February 24, 2014 Author Share #25 Posted February 24, 2014 Some stunning photos there. I take it the second set is the 50mm? I'm going to London in the next few weeks, which will be a proper test for the M system. I'm going to practise as much beforehand, and then make sure that the 35mm setup works for me. If it does, I will look at the Summilux when my dealer gets one in. If it doesn't, I'd decide whether I need to go wider at 28mm or longer at 50mm and which version I need. At this sort of expense, I'm not rushing... it took me 4 weeks to say yes to the dealer's offer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted February 24, 2014 Share #26 Posted February 24, 2014 Some stunning photos there. I take it the second set is the 50mm? I'm going to London in the next few weeks, which will be a proper test for the M system. I'm going to practise as much beforehand, and then make sure that the 35mm setup works for me. If it does, I will look at the Summilux when my dealer gets one in. If it doesn't, I'd decide whether I need to go wider at 28mm or longer at 50mm and which version I need. At this sort of expense, I'm not rushing... it took me 4 weeks to say yes to the dealer's offer Yes, first bl&w photo is the 35/2 asph. The second link is a series of 50/1,4 asph. you can see it in the info what the diaphragm is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
friedeye Posted February 25, 2014 Share #27 Posted February 25, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) You have a wonderful lens and camera - enjoy. There is an excellent thread (I think it's here - I read it a while ago) regarding the highest optimal ISO setting for the M9 sensor in low light. The OP did extensive tests and found that 640 worked the best; that pushing it 2 -3 stops in post yielded lower noise than using higher ISO settings in the camera. I shoot a lot of low light and have found this extremely helpful and effective (although, I'll occasionally shoot at 800). Obviously, there's also some noise reduction needed in post, but I'm amazed at what can be accomplished. Your lens is razor sharp at f/2 -- you'll be able to get excellent results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
janrzm Posted February 25, 2014 Share #28 Posted February 25, 2014 In all honesty I too started with the 35mm Cron and this is me as of today http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m-lenses/322128-does-constitute-problema.html No matter what you decide, enjoy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted February 25, 2014 Share #29 Posted February 25, 2014 You have a wonderful lens and camera - enjoy. There is an excellent thread (I think it's here - I read it a while ago) regarding the highest optimal ISO setting for the M9 sensor in low light. The OP did extensive tests and found that 640 worked the best; that pushing it 2 -3 stops in post yielded lower noise than using higher ISO settings in the camera. I shoot a lot of low light and have found this extremely helpful and effective (although, I'll occasionally shoot at 800). Obviously, there's also some noise reduction needed in post, but I'm amazed at what can be accomplished. Your lens is razor sharp at f/2 -- you'll be able to get excellent results. Interesting you mention that thread. I have looked for it without success. Anyone have a good bead on it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stein K S Posted February 28, 2014 Share #30 Posted February 28, 2014 Thanks all, this has been really helpful. I've had GAS a lot lately :-) Hi I feel kind of stupid asking what GAS stands for after reading about it for a long time... I guess the basic meaning could be something like "Gear Aquisition Syndrom" or something like that or...? Regards, Stein Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted February 28, 2014 Share #31 Posted February 28, 2014 Hi I feel kind of stupid asking what GAS stands for after reading about it for a long time... I guess the basic meaning could be something like "Gear Aquisition Syndrom" or something like that or...? Regards, Stein You're correct. Please send an SAE together with a PO for £10 to cover admin and P&P for your prize! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted February 28, 2014 Share #32 Posted February 28, 2014 Interesting you mention that thread. I have looked for it without success. Anyone have a good bead on it? You mean this one? Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted February 28, 2014 Share #33 Posted February 28, 2014 ...The lens I came home with was the 35mm Summicron ASPH f2. It's optical quality has far surpassed even what I'd hoped for, but I find that I'm using it indoors quite a lot already and I'm starting to think I should try and swap it in for a Summilux f1.4 ASPH (floating element type) to get the extra stops.... Any views and comparisons would be great Before rushing in to buy any more lenses, I would suggest you spend time exploring the higher ISO settings to see if that solves your problem. Modern software makes the most of digital files and noise reduction is one area which has seen significant improvement. So, see how far you can go with your excellent Summicron. You might be very surprised. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elgenper Posted February 28, 2014 Share #34 Posted February 28, 2014 FWIW, I own the 35 Summicron Asph (bought with the M9 3 years ago) as well as the 50 Summilux (bought last summer). I find that I choose one of these strictly after the field of view (or, equivalently, its working distance). The 1 stop speed difference is insignificant in practical situations, including party photography, and either lens has IQ that is, to understate a lot, "sufficient". The 35 Summicron Asph is a wonderful piece of glass, and very compact and easy to carry. I wouldn´t swap it for a bigger and heavier 35 ´lux at any price. But the 50 ´lux is great for portraits, or when you have to keep some distance. Not as easy and fluent to shoot as the 35 ´cron, however. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ansel_Adams Posted March 2, 2014 Share #35 Posted March 2, 2014 I would echo those above saying keep the Cron. I have had mine for about 8 months now and am still learning about it and what it can do. Lovely lovely lens. Very nice handling and superlative image quality. Give it a year and see how you feel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
w44neg Posted March 2, 2014 Author Share #36 Posted March 2, 2014 Thanks for all the replies. Well it's been a couple of weeks and I've been so amazed with this lens that there's no way I'd swap it now. It's just superb. I've taken the camera out three times in total and I wasn't expecting to see results for a long time. However I'm already seeing IQ like never before and I love the manual aspect to the camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Marc G. Posted March 2, 2014 Share #37 Posted March 2, 2014 going out and taking photos with leica stuff automatically makes you happy with your gear because the results usually speak for themselves. staying at home, thinking about equipment and re-thinking choices usually makes for a sad and confused user Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonki-M Posted March 2, 2014 Share #38 Posted March 2, 2014 the heart wants what the heart wants if it's in your mind, you will eventually move to it! oh, how many Summicron have i had...only to sell for the summilux! The only lens i've not upgraded is the 90 Elmarit-M. What a superb lens, great sharpness, great contrast, but not at all clinical, and it takes E46 filter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ansel_Adams Posted March 13, 2014 Share #39 Posted March 13, 2014 The 35 /2/ asph is indeed a magical lens. Don't sell it if you don't' have to: ik ben al groot " You can buy a 50/1,4 asph later. It's one of a kind! See for yourself. Here are some samples. Saint Michaels Castle " Sint Michielsgestel" Brabant - pauljoostenfotograaf Just wanted to congratulate you on your images above. Particularly the 50mm shots. What a lovely part of the world you live in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted March 14, 2014 Share #40 Posted March 14, 2014 Sold my `lux, bought a `cron asph.. Now a happy camper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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