StephenPatterson Posted January 29, 2014 Share #21 Posted January 29, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) But as you agree, batteries will be the show stopper. Let's hope your optimism regarding them is well-placed. But as I said in my post early in this thread, digital Ms are, currently at least, a very different prospect than their film predecessors which could easily be a companion for generations. Regards 1. Batteries will not be the show stopper, as it is an exceedingly simple operation to open the case and replace the cells. 2. Film in 50 years? I wouldn't bet on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Marac Posted January 29, 2014 Share #22 Posted January 29, 2014 2. Film in 50 years? I wouldn't bet on it. I bet they said that 50 years ago Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted January 29, 2014 Share #23 Posted January 29, 2014 as it is an exceedingly simple operation to open the case and replace the cells. It is now, but will it be in 25 or 50 years time? Battery technology will likely move on and it may be somewhat difficult to obtain the necessary cells to recondition an M8 battery case? Of course, with enough will and resources it will be possible to keep an M digital going indefinitely but is it really likely to be economically viable (or even desirable) to repair a 'dead' M9 in 2039, let alone 2064? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodluvan Posted January 29, 2014 Share #24 Posted January 29, 2014 Sorry, but this is simply a ridiculous assertion to make, especially for a high quality item such as a Leica digital M. It doesn't take much effort to find electronics more than thirty years old that are still going strong. Many general aviation aircraft operate today with radios and navigation equipment built in the 1980s. The Apple Mac just turned thirty, and while the features might not appeal I am sure that there are working examples still operating. I understand there is a robust collectors market for video games from the 80s and 90s. I guarantee that in fifty years there will still be working examples of every Leica camera model produced. The collectable value of Leica cameras has been well established over the last century, which will ensure the continued viability of every model via secondary repair facilities. I have no doubt that in 2057 you will be able to buy a "NOS" M8 on ebay. Of course the box and warranty cards will probably be replicas made in China. Simply preposterous for a number of reasons. Batteries as many have pointed out. Connectivity (I doubt USB or card readers of the sort used will be around) software (jpg? RAW? Readable?) Service (Leica _will not_ be servicing an M8, 50 years down the road, many licensed servicemen don't even service the M5 today) etc Obviously collectors M8 will be around, but the hardship involved in getting them to work to a passable degree will overcome most enthusiasm. Also, when comparing to electronics of yore, keep in mind the exponential nature of digital and electronic development. What was 50 years back says nothing when interpolating 50 years into the future. In 50 years our electronics will in difference be comparable to perhaps mid 19th century to today's, i.e. enormous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted January 29, 2014 Share #25 Posted January 29, 2014 I have no doubt that in 2057 you will be able to buy a "NOS" M8 on ebay. I rather doubt that you can buy a genuine new 'old stock' M8 today if you looked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcraf Posted January 29, 2014 Share #26 Posted January 29, 2014 1. Batteries will not be the show stopper, as it is an exceedingly simple operation to open the case and replace the cells. /QUOTE] If it was that simple, we'd all be doing it right now. I bet there'd be a huge saving over buying a new M8 series or M240 battery. Perhaps you could post some simple instructions? And tips on suitable fire extinguishers... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted January 29, 2014 Share #27 Posted January 29, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1. Batteries will not be the show stopper, as it is an exceedingly simple operation to open the case and replace the cells. /QUOTE] If it was that simple, we'd all be doing it right now. I bet there'd be a huge saving over buying a new M8 series or M240 battery. Perhaps you could post some simple instructions? And tips on suitable fire extinguishers... I understand that to those with limited or no knowledge of battery construction it would appear to be an impossible task but as Luigi correctly pointed out there is nothing complicated about rebuilding packs with replacement cells that have the proper voltage and current specs. A dremel tool, soldering iron and some epoxy (along with the replacement cells) are all that is required. As for third party battery packs ( a quite different topic than replacement of defective cells) there is no reason for yet another debate on that subject in this thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcraf Posted January 29, 2014 Share #28 Posted January 29, 2014 1. Batteries will not be the show stopper, as it is an exceedingly simple operation to open the case and replace the cells. 2. Film in 50 years? I wouldn't bet on it. I understand that to those with limited or no knowledge of battery construction it would appear to be an impossible task Yep, that'll be 99.9% of the population, and probably almost all Leica owners. Great Pythonesque humour though, I haven't stopped laughing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted January 29, 2014 Share #29 Posted January 29, 2014 I understand that to those with limited or no knowledge of battery construction it would appear to be an impossible task but as Luigi correctly pointed out there is nothing complicated about rebuilding packs with replacement cells that have the proper voltage and current specs. A dremel tool, soldering iron and some epoxy (along with the replacement cells) are all that is required. As for third party battery packs ( a quite different topic than replacement of defective cells) there is no reason for yet another debate on that subject in this thread. And it's very easy for those with the know-how to make their own emulsions too! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M9reno Posted January 29, 2014 Share #30 Posted January 29, 2014 And the sensor? Try getting your M9's replaced today, and see what Leica says. In 10 - let alone 50 - years they won't even remember what you're on about Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynp Posted January 29, 2014 Author Share #31 Posted January 29, 2014 I rather doubt that you can buy a genuine new 'old stock' M8 today if you looked. I know a place where they store several m8 white edition and m8.2 safari, boxed and unopened. They have some other interesting stuff I tried to buy to no avail :-(. Collectors are special people. Sent from my iPad / Tapatalk HD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RITskellar Posted January 29, 2014 Share #32 Posted January 29, 2014 I won't pretend to know what the future holds, but I do know that I view and value my M and film MP's very differently. I don't feel a personal connection or attachment to the M that much more than I would my MacBook, and I expect that it will get replaced by the latest/greatest whenever the time comes. Where as, I do feel that with the MP's and expect that I will always have them. And neither of those observations has anything to do with whether or not they have Leica logo engraving on the top. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynp Posted January 29, 2014 Author Share #33 Posted January 29, 2014 I won't pretend to know what the future holds, but I do know that I view and value my M and film MP's very differently. I don't feel a personal connection or attachment to the M that much more than I would my MacBook, and I expect that it will get replaced by the latest/greatest whenever the time comes. Where as, I do feel that with the MP's and expect that I will always have them. And neither of those observations has anything to do with whether or not they have Leica logo engraving on the top. I concur. I feel connected to my MP3 and I have always though that I would never sell her. But the MP3 now lives in a cabinet. I cannot force myself to use her, the speculators escalated the prices too much and my favorite shooter became an investment. Now I shoot my M5s and feel liberated. And my M9 is just a computer, a fancy one, a real Leica lookalike. But it has the rangefinder and it counts. Sent from my iPad / Tapatalk HD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 29, 2014 Share #34 Posted January 29, 2014 Sorry, but comparing Leica components to those in aircraft is simply a ridiculous assertion to make. I'm just glad I'm not flying next week in the airborne equivalent of a digital M. 'Let's just take the battery out and get this thing going again, shall we? Oh...is that the ground approaching?' You may be right about a few M8s being around in 35 or 50 years time. But it will only be a few. And they won't work because they use batteries. Li-ions are lifed and replacements likely won't be available in 50 years; I doubt even a niche battery maker in half a century's time will produce them for a few Ms. Well, considering Lucas (the infamous prince of darkness of BLMC days:eek:) is a major supplier of avionics, I think I'd prefer Leica... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcraf Posted January 29, 2014 Share #35 Posted January 29, 2014 Well, considering Lucas (the infamous prince of darkness of BLMC days:eek:) is a major supplier of avionics, I think I'd prefer Leica... Wasn't aware they were. If that's the case, I'll take a coach and horses to Berlin next week... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hx911 Posted January 29, 2014 Share #36 Posted January 29, 2014 ....Is it possible to order the M 240 with the full Leica script, the same or similar as on the MP3 or M9p? ... its funny how the original question question turned into a discussion of electronics and batteries Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcraf Posted January 29, 2014 Share #37 Posted January 29, 2014 That's the joy of this forum! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamey Posted January 29, 2014 Share #38 Posted January 29, 2014 Stephen I have slides that are over 50 years and still as good as they where shoot yesterday, I would say Others on this forum have much older shots probably going back to the 40's and 50's. You and I wont be alive in 50 years but Film will be. Bought my dear mum a new Led Digital TV yesterday with a 5 year warranty, the salesperson informed me ......If it breaks, WE WILL REPLACE IT NOT REPAIR IT. Personally in 50 years the only camera Leica will be making will be something like the MP if they are still in business, the Phone willl be the king of Digital photography, thank goodness I wont be hear to see it. Enjoy what you got now. Ken P.S. back to the original question. YNP... The way Leica is going with their M deliveries it could take years for Leica to make a special script for your calleague. The poor bugger could fade away waiting for it.....Lol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 29, 2014 Share #39 Posted January 29, 2014 I and some other friends want to give a colleague a silver M on his retirement. I took advice from his wife and she said that her husband wants a Leica M, bit he dislikes the clear top plate. He shoots his silver M4 with full script. Is it possible to order the M 240 with the full Leica script, the same or similar as on the MP3 or M9p? Thanks Sent from my iPad / Tapatalk HD No, you cannot order it that way. Usually it is possible to have it engraved later on, but with Leica in transit to Wetzlar, I do not know whether it is an option right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted January 30, 2014 Share #40 Posted January 30, 2014 ...the Phone willl be the king of Digital photography, thank goodness I wont be hear to see it. Flickr: Camera Finder Hope you are feeling well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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