lololo Posted January 14, 2014 Share #1 Posted January 14, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi, i got from my father some Leica objectives and i don´t know exactly the difference if i have a summicron m E39 objective or the black paint version. Can somebody help me? Thank you very much :confused: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted January 14, 2014 Posted January 14, 2014 Hi lololo, Take a look here Summicron M. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Gerard Posted January 14, 2014 Share #2 Posted January 14, 2014 Bite the lens body. If the finish flakes off, it's a collectable black paint version. Or... You could avoid damaging the finish by looking up the serial in the wiki. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stein K S Posted January 14, 2014 Share #3 Posted January 14, 2014 Hi Sounds very interesting... but any more leads/details for the forum to work on? Stein Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k_g_wolf ✝ Posted January 14, 2014 Share #4 Posted January 14, 2014 Welcome to the forum, Iololo. You could take a photo of your lenses and show it in the lenssection with your questions. Could help. Better still: take photos WITH the lenses if there still is a LEICA around your house. Or: should you have one, put them on a NEX ... Best GEORG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabears Posted January 14, 2014 Share #5 Posted January 14, 2014 Photos... bitte ! cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k_g_wolf ✝ Posted January 14, 2014 Share #6 Posted January 14, 2014 English please, you should know, for most people round here the german language is a horror language ... Viele Gruesse GEORG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 14, 2014 Share #7 Posted January 14, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Is it? Apart from the grammar of course… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 14, 2014 Share #8 Posted January 14, 2014 Welcome to the forum, Iololo. You could take a photo of your lenses and show it in the lenssection with your questions. Could help. Better still: take photos WITH the lenses if there still is a LEICA around your house. Or: should you have one, put them on a NEX ... Best GEORG It was moved out of the lens section for a better chance of replies here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k_g_wolf ✝ Posted January 14, 2014 Share #9 Posted January 14, 2014 That´s o. k., jaap, and thx for this explanation. But sorry, I didn´t realise this in time. Languages - on the other hand - are overrated these days. Round here any language should be working fine ... Best GEORG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stein K S Posted January 15, 2014 Share #10 Posted January 15, 2014 It was moved out of the lens section for a better chance of replies here Hi I got curious about this one... Where can I find the continuation? Thanks for all help! Stein Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lololo Posted January 15, 2014 Author Share #11 Posted January 15, 2014 thanks so much for the answers and sorry for my bad english...... Here is a pic Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/220166-summicron-m/?do=findComment&comment=2509871'>More sharing options...
Stein K S Posted January 15, 2014 Share #12 Posted January 15, 2014 Hi My short info would be; Summicron 35 version 4 (7 element). The last pre-asp version also called the bokeh-king. Made from 79 to 96 (97?). Your copy seems to be made in 1990. Designed in Canada (Midland factory), but later lenses were produced in Germany... And even if not sure, I think your copy is german made. Very popular lens! My personal experience though is that it is very soft in the corners wide open... And no bokeh-king in my taste... On all other issues I like it a lot! Stein Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k_g_wolf ✝ Posted January 15, 2014 Share #13 Posted January 15, 2014 It even has the matching UV-Filter. Most likely this results in a perfect condition of the outer lenssurface. Keep the thing and take photos with the SUMMICRON, still a VERY good lens! Or put it up in the lenssection round here for sale in case you want to let it loose ... It is a lens in demand by collectors and fetches sometimes - in exellent condition - almost as much as a s/h current one. Regards GEORG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeswe Posted January 15, 2014 Share #14 Posted January 15, 2014 To clarify ... E39 is just a designation of the filter size and type (E=Einschraub, 39mm = diameter) the lens uses. In the good ol days, most Leica lenses used to have E39 filter size, I am not sure how it is nowadays "Black Paint" refers to a special type of finish, lacquer (Lack) as opposed to the black chrome. The overwhelming majority of the lenses manufactured after the late 1960s until now are black chrome (like yours), it is the most common finish. Before the late 60s, (bright) chrome was the standard finish of lenses and cameras and if a customer insisted on having a black lens or camera it was finished with paint (not black chrome), but this didn't happen very often. Nowadays these early black (= paint) lenses from the 1960s are very rare and valuable for collectors. When Leica realized the special appeal of black paint finished gear later on in the 1990s or so, they made some special editions for cameras and lenses that used black paint instead of black chrome. But it is probably correct to say that 99% of the black Leica lenses around today are not "black paint" but "black chrome". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted January 16, 2014 Share #15 Posted January 16, 2014 The last pre-asp version also called the bokeh-king. This was recently clarified by Mike Johnston (The Online Photographer) who originally coined the phrase. He was referring to the bokeh only at f/4, and then of course people heard it in conversation, misunderstood it, and mythologised it to mean 'the King of bokeh' wide open. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted January 16, 2014 Share #16 Posted January 16, 2014 At a slight tangent, I was just looking at the very helpful Wiki on M lenses to see the difference between the various 35 Summicrons, III, IV and ASPH. I noted that the 40mm Summicron-C is missing from the Wiki. I am not sure I have all the technical details on this lens to amend the Wiki - anyone else? I know that technically it was made for the CL and not an M but to all intents and purposes, it is an M lens. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted January 16, 2014 Share #17 Posted January 16, 2014 Well, indeed the "C" lenses are in the Wiki : see the section for "Compact and Mini cameras" which includes CL and its lenses (including the rare 40 2,8 and, correctly, not the 28 2,8 from Rokkor made for the Minolta CLE) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stein K S Posted January 16, 2014 Share #18 Posted January 16, 2014 At a slight tangent, I was just looking at the very helpful Wiki on M lenses to see the difference between the various 35 Summicrons, III, IV and ASPH. I noted that the 40mm Summicron-C is missing from the Wiki. I am not sure I have all the technical details on this lens to amend the Wiki - anyone else? I know that technically it was made for the CL and not an M but to all intents and purposes, it is an M lens. Wilson Hi For what it is worth, Erwin Puts' big white Leica Compendium (second edition) describes both the Elmarit-C 40 and the Cron-C 40 alongside all other M lenses. Go and get this book for this purpose... and for a million other good reasons. Bought mine through LFI homepage (Leica homepage). A must- have in my opinion. In short, the Cron is a six-element double-gauss lens and Puts claims the overall performance is in between the Cron 35 vIII and the vIV. The "field" (donut area) seems to be the biggest "problem" even when stopping down... The forum, however, probably keeps loads of info (for free) as well... Good luck! Regards, Stein Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted January 16, 2014 Share #19 Posted January 16, 2014 HiFor what it is worth, Erwin Puts' big white Leica Compendium (second edition) describes both the Elmarit-C 40 and the Cron-C 40 alongside all other M lenses. Go and get this book for this purpose... and for a million other good reasons. Bought mine through LFI homepage (Leica homepage). A must- have in my opinion. Regards, Stein Stein, I have the older Puts’ Compendium and I had a look in that. I had not found the section on compact lenses, that Luigi has kindly pointed me in the direction of. I had a look in my various other books but nowhere does it say who designed the lens. I would guess Walter Mandler must have had a hand in it and there are a quite a few similarities to his 35mm Summicron III. I also found an interesting cut away diagram in Pascal’s Leicapages (if a touch low rez). Wilson Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/220166-summicron-m/?do=findComment&comment=2510737'>More sharing options...
Stein K S Posted January 16, 2014 Share #20 Posted January 16, 2014 Stein, I have the older Puts’ Compendium and I had a look in that. I had not found the section on compact lenses, that Luigi has kindly pointed me in the direction of. I had a look in my various other books but nowhere does it say who designed the lens. I would guess Walter Mandler must have had a hand in it and there are a quite a few similarities to his 35mm Summicron III. I also found an interesting cut away diagram in Pascal’s Leicapages (if a touch low rez). Wilson Hi again You are right... no name of any designer. Compendium do have the MTF curves though... You have those/interested in those? Stein Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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