colonel Posted January 1, 2014 Share #41 Posted January 1, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) I really love it! Previous post has already stated its pros and cons. As an digital M it's the best thing so far. The only things I'm a little disappointed with is the use of R-lenses on it (simply to slow with the EVF), and the cameras sensitivity towards the color red. Despite the two last thing I really, really love the camera and the more you use it the more you want to use it. I had some regrets when I heard about the A7 and read its early reviews, but after some hands on with the A7 I no longer have any regrets. The IQ of the A7 is great but the is more or less the only great thing about it, the feel is quite poor, the controls are annoying and very unintuitive, the shutter is LOUD and the camera looks like crap:). So, go for the M!! Not sure why people feel the need to balance appreciation of one camera with critism of another. Does the A7 threaten your investment in the M240 ? I think both are excellent. The A7 looks cool, has great ergonomics and it's pictures are to die for. I would also say the same about the M 240. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Torgian Posted January 2, 2014 Share #42 Posted January 2, 2014 I was asking a TON of questions and getting opinions before I bought the M. And I'm very happy I spent the money on it. It's the only digital camera I have, and is my first camera that isn't a point and shoot. I'm learning a lot, and loving the experience. No, it's probably not the best camera out there, but then again, neither is anything else. It is, however, MY best camera. Lovin it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelpa78 Posted January 2, 2014 Share #43 Posted January 2, 2014 I have no regrets but sometime I ask myself if the price was worth it. I had the opportunity to try some Fuji cameras and at the end of the day I got some amazing results, in my opinion comparable to the ones I get with the M, at a bit of the price. Obviously the experience is totally different but I can't help but think if the final result is really worth 5500 dollars difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Jones Posted January 2, 2014 Share #44 Posted January 2, 2014 Not sure why people feel the need to balance appreciation of one camera with critism of another. Does the A7 threaten your investment in the M240 ? I think both are excellent. The A7 looks cool, has great ergonomics and it's pictures are to die for. I would also say the same about the M 240. You ask the question but go on to do the same thing. So I think you must know the answer. I think you have to save some superlatives for the M240 if you think highly of the Sony. Of course the investment in the M240 has been threatened by the arrival of a full frame mirrorless camera that can utilise Leica lenses. I just remains to be seen how much it undermines prices and demand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmx_2 Posted January 2, 2014 Share #45 Posted January 2, 2014 Not sure why people feel the need to balance appreciation of one camera with critism of another. Does the A7 threaten your investment in the M240 ? I think both are excellent. The A7 looks cool, has great ergonomics and it's pictures are to die for. I would also say the same about the M 240. You have a fair point, but for me personally I had to say it, because that was how I felt when I first heard about the A7 and after testing it briefly I felt relieved that I still feel that I did the right thing to get the M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hossain Posted January 2, 2014 Share #46 Posted January 2, 2014 Solid build, bright rangefinder, sweet shutter sound - what not to like about it? I love my M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozoyo Posted January 2, 2014 Share #47 Posted January 2, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have been using it for less then two weeks but absolutely no regrets. It handles great and, coming from a D800e, I was afraid of the shooting experience but I am pleasantly surprised. I used it on restless kids on new years eve and managed great shots in tough lighting conditions. Manual Focus? Well more reliable than even a great AF. Only shortcoming, given the high value of camera + lens I am quite weary of walking in the streets with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirekti Posted January 2, 2014 Share #48 Posted January 2, 2014 Only shortcoming, given the high value of camera + lens I am quite weary of walking in the streets with it. Having $20k hanging over my shoulder makes me paranoid too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 2, 2014 Share #49 Posted January 2, 2014 They are just as likely -or even more so- to mug you for an DSLR or Smartphone. A Leica is not that easy to fence. And for the rest - there is insurance…. A friend of my had a BMW and his office is in the centre of Amsterdam. The car got broken into every other week. He replaced it with a Ferrari and never again. It was out of the comfort zone of the average junk… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwpatlaw Posted January 2, 2014 Author Share #50 Posted January 2, 2014 Well, that's it then ! Lets all get Ferrari's to go along with our M's !! Haha !! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted January 2, 2014 Share #51 Posted January 2, 2014 Reminded me of a heavy snow storm in Leeds in early 1990s. Overnight many cars were abandoned and in one particularly rough area of the city, on my way to work the next morning, I have seen many abandoned cars vandalised but mostly modest ones while prestige models seem to have escaped undamaged. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonil Posted January 2, 2014 Share #52 Posted January 2, 2014 My only regret is paying for the entire receipt a month before they said Id get the camera - so having nothing in my hands and nothing in my pocket kind of stings a little while Im waiting. Lets hope my dealer pulls through and doesn't shaft me around like they have been the last 3 months with all the misinformation they have given me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigitalHeMan Posted January 2, 2014 Share #53 Posted January 2, 2014 My only regret is paying for the entire receipt a month before they said Id get the camera - so having nothing in my hands and nothing in my pocket kind of stings a little while Im waiting. Lets hope my dealer pulls through and doesn't shaft me around like they have been the last 3 months with all the misinformation they have given me. I would never pay my dealer anything more than a small deposit in advance. They receive credit terms from their distributors, so why should your money gain interest in their bank account? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbell Posted January 2, 2014 Share #54 Posted January 2, 2014 You're loaded with confirmation bias here, whilst simultaneously asking the choir if they like a good sing song. However, I regret buying the M9 more. The M 240 is everything the M9 should have been, and more to boot. At doing what it is supposed to at it's core, it's an exceptional camera, with the worlds best lenses to match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamad Posted January 2, 2014 Share #55 Posted January 2, 2014 Hello all. I have been a reader and rare writer of the LUF for several years. I read it almost everyday. I own an M7 and several leica lens that I wholeheartedly enjoy. I love using the rangefinder camera system even if my family thinks I take too long composing, focusing etc. I have a 1.0 Nocti, 75 lux, 50 cron, 50 lux, and a 35 cron. Like many of you, I have a lot invested in my kit. I am ready ( I think ) to go digital with the new M. I realize this forum spends much of its space discussing " issues and problems" within the digital family of cameras. My question is, do you believe the vast majority of M (240) owners are happy with this new camera ? Is it a reliable camera for most ? I appreciate your thoughts. Ken I waz quite tempted to get one too. But once I tried it at the local dealer it waz not something what I expected to feel. The main thing Focus Peaking ... It waz not all that. I still got pix out and had to depend on view finder to get sharper image. In shot I shot around 200 pix on the M using 90 2F and around same number on my M9 usinf the same lens ... I had 70 per cent out of focus images in M and only 5 to 8 percent out of focus on my M9. Picture quality waz like 10-15 per cent better but I m not paying that much for that. Plus a friend told me that CCD sensor is much better then CMOS now I m thinking to wait till M-2 or upgrade of M comes and test that. For me to spend so much on a new body it has to be minimum 50 per cent advance in its quality and usability but then it's personally choice. I m thinking to get a leather coat for the camera to make it different until something wort comes in. And I m sure the newer M version will be a good jump from M9 Hamad Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philcycles Posted January 2, 2014 Share #56 Posted January 2, 2014 I had 70 per cent out of focus images in M and only 5 to 8 percent out of focus on my M9. Picture quality waz like 10-15 per cent better but I m not paying that much for that. Plus a friend told me that CCD sensor is much better then CMOS now I m thinking to wait till M-2 or upgrade of M comes and test that. For me to spend so much on a new body it has to be minimum 50 per cent advance in its quality and usability but then it's personally choice. I m thinking to get a leather coat for the camera to make it different until something wort comes in. And I m sure the newer M version will be a good jump from M9 Hamad I don't understand how you can get out of focus shots. Just focus. I was a TV cameraman as well as a sound mixer and TV cameras have NO FOCUS AIDS. None. Just a little monitor on top of the camera. And yet your TV picture is in focus. So practice focussing if you're using the monitor. That's what you need to do. Phil Brown Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucerne Posted January 2, 2014 Share #57 Posted January 2, 2014 I have been using it for less then two weeks but absolutely no regrets. It handles great and, coming from a D800e, I was afraid of the shooting experience but I am pleasantly surprised. I used it on restless kids on new years eve and managed great shots in tough lighting conditions. Manual Focus? Well more reliable than even a great AF. Only shortcoming, given the high value of camera + lens I am quite weary of walking in the streets with it. I suggest that the correct word you are looking for is "wary" , unless you really mean that you are tired after walking the streets with your M240. Enjoy!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 2, 2014 Share #58 Posted January 2, 2014 I waz quite tempted to get one too. But once I tried it at the local dealer it waz not something what I expected to feel. The main thing Focus Peaking ... It waz not all that. I still got pix out and had to depend on view finder to get sharper image. In shot I shot around 200 pix on the M using 90 2F and around same number on my M9 usinf the same lens ... I had 70 per cent out of focus images in M and only 5 to 8 percent out of focus on my M9. Picture quality waz like 10-15 per cent better but I m not paying that much for that. Plus a friend told me that CCD sensor is much better then CMOS now I m thinking to wait till M-2 or upgrade of M comes and test that. For me to spend so much on a new body it has to be minimum 50 per cent advance in its quality and usability but then it's personally choice. I m thinking to get a leather coat for the camera to make it different until something wort comes in. And I m sure the newer M version will be a good jump from M9 Hamad Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk How do you measure these percentages??As to focus peaking, it is 100% accurate. May I suggest pilot error? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougg Posted January 2, 2014 Share #59 Posted January 2, 2014 Having $20k hanging over my shoulder makes me paranoid too. Thinking about the cost/price/value of the gear over your shoulder is sure to interfere with your thinking about your next picture. Make sure your gear is on your house/renter policy or a separate rider and don't worry about it. Also, there are ways not to look like a victim on the street. Keep your head up, look pleasant, don't be furtive or tiptoe around looking like a creep or a victim. Be aware of your surroundings and be confident in being there doing what you're doing. I will carry with the strap over my shoulder, with the camera held at my elbow. This is more comfortable than having the rig bouncing on your front, and less conspicuous... yet very fast into action as needed. Don't worry, be happy now! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
schmolinski Posted January 3, 2014 Share #60 Posted January 3, 2014 MarkP really put it right. I came form the M8.2 over the M9. I am now selling my M9 although I would love to keep it. But since the prices will decrease fast the next weeks and month it's time to make a decision. To what MarP wrote is almost nothing to add. Except one thing I find it a little annoying that the movie button could be hit accidentally. That happened to me a couple of times. But if you don't want to film just tape it with a black tape and you are fine. I own the M9, Monochrom and M(240).I have no regrets whatsoever purchasing the M. Improved output over the M9: More detail and resolution in files Improved dynamic range (DR) I prefer the colour which is to me is more neutral More tonality in B&W conversions (probably due to increased DR Files are flatter due to increased DR but are much more robust in PP Improved features leading to improved photographs over the M9: Improved rangefinder allows more accurate focusing EVF (despite it's limitations) allows increased versatility and focus accuracy when using some lenses wide open where there is very shallow DOF and/or focus shift (ie 1.0/50 Noctilux or 3.4/135 APO-Telyt) Improved user experience (ie just nicer to use): Improved rangefinder I really like the red frame-lines I really like the shutter It's a much more refined device Improved versatility: Other lenses, esp Leica-R - for me the 28-90 Vario-Elmar and 28-PC Live view for landscapes and macro (not used much at all to date) Video - not used yet but as an amateur photographer having that option to take a quick video at a family function or whatever is very convenient These mean that I don't need a second camera system as this now fulfils all of my wants & needs What annoys me (but not deal breakers) Italian flag artefact still a mild issue with some lenses Auto ISO stuff up EVF still a bit primitive but works for me ISO setting display on back screen very difficult to see sometimes c/w the layout on the M9 and should be in white not red text. Having said all of that, I still prefer the results I get from the Monochrom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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