Risked life and limb to get this shot and the $7000 piece of crap let me down again

[MirekE]

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Well you can reproduce it indoors photographing a plain wall using a torch to shine at the lens flange for 30 seconds. Imagination is great, but when it turns to fantasy just for the sake of argument, that's the time to stop.

 

Steve

 

Not fantasy, different experience Steve. I can reproduce light leaking, but only at 16 stop overexposure. Not at 10. The frame is perfectly black at 10. And the leak does not look like the sample from Bali.

 

 

The sample looks like regular flare to me. Here is a quick shot at f/4, albeit different 50mm lens.

 

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[MarkP]

I seem to be on a different planet.......

 

So an 80 yr old mount design that leica have kept to retain backward compatibility with previous lens designs has a light leak when used in extreme circumstances for which the camera was never intended .........

 

Big deal ........

 

 

Thank you for the reality check .

 

Nevertheless I can't believe that Leica could not make subtle adjustments to the mount ( I wonder whether this occurs where it's thinner about the screw hole on the mount at 2 o'clock) to resolve this. Taking long exposures even in daylight is not that unrealistic or extreme situation.

[Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS]

Thank god for the scrunchie!

i am using two until I get a new Nikon D4X..........hopefully with no light leak

[AlanG]

As light does not bend ninety degrees on its own accord it is safe to assume that the flare does not come from the light beam itself but from an internal reflection either of the lens or the lens mount. If so the register distance plays no role.

 

Maybe. I guess it would be hard to know since I think it would take some complex study to determine the path of the light. But since it would diminish by the power of a square of the distance, the further away the point of entry, the better.

[MarkP]

Not fantasy, different experience Steve. I can reproduce light leaking, but only at 16 stop overexposure. Not at 10. The frame is perfectly black at 10. And the leak does not look like the sample from Bali.

 

 

The sample looks like regular flare to me. Here is a quick shot at f/4, albeit different 50mm lens.

 

 

Here we go again .

 

This particular problem is not regular lens flare. One does not get regular flare exposing a lens mount to light. So this particular fully reproducible pattern across cameras and lenses affecting the lower right corner of the image has nothing to do with light entering through the front lens element - I tested for and excluded that possibility.

[jdlaing]

I didn't know they had Leica in Mexico.........

 

If they sell it in Great Britain they'll sell it anywhere.

[MarkP]

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i am using two until I get a new Nikon D4X..........hopefully with no light leak

 

Neil, just use a thicker scrunchie and shade the camera from direct sunlight.

[Guest redge]

After reading all the replies this morning, it seems to me that there are those who will defend the crap we get from Leica no matter what and those like me that when we buy something whether it be a bus ticket or a Lamborghini we expect to get what we paid for................

 

In other words, anyone who doesn't immediately agree with you is blind, stupid or both.

 

Charming.

[Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS]

Here is a 6 second shot with the scrunchie hair band and no post processing ............no light leak

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[Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS]

In other words, anyone who doesn't immediately agree with you is blind, stupid or both.

 

Charming.

Correct:D

[MirekE]

Here we go again .

 

This particular problem is not regular lens flare. One does not get regular flare exposing a lens mount to light. So this particular fully reproducible pattern across cameras and lenses affecting the lower right corner of the image has nothing to do with light entering through the front lens element - I tested for and excluded that possibility.

 

Ok, I give up.

[Erik Gunst Lund]

NDs are well known to require "black tape" (gaffers tape works) around the filter mount. My guess is it's not the lens mount, but the interface between the filter and the front of the lens...

The Lee big stopper comes with foam glued to its edges for just that reason..

In my experience...

Bob

 

 

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Black Gaffers tape is definitely not light proof, I have seen light leek from using it for shooting pinhole images.

[StephenPatterson]

After reading all the replies this morning, it seems to me that there are those who will defend the crap we get from Leica no matter what and those like me that when we buy something whether it be a bus ticket or a Lamborghini we expect to get what we paid for................

 

Neil, I think you have to step back and consider the difference between excellence and perfection. One hundred years ago the Model T Ford was an excellent motor car, but it still came with a tool kit. The notion that the car would do anything and everything asked of it was a completely ludicrous notion then, but we seem to have gotten away from working with our tools instead of asking them to rub our back sides and make coffee.

 

In an earlier post I questioned your need to shoot this scene at f/0.95 with an ND3.0 filter and 8 second exposure, saying that you didn't need that to achieve the effect of blurring the waterfall. I want to apologize for that statement, as obviously there are times when you want a very long daylight shutter speed to blur cloud/waves, etc. In your case I think you could have achieved your desired effect with a setting of ISO Pull 100 and f/16 without the need for the filter which would have given you a faster shutter speed that would not cause issue. Next time you will know that this can be a problem with the Leica.

 

Excellence and perfection…not the same thing.

[jaques]

well at least you are in Bali- and can enjoy the incredibly fine fruits, vistas, people, etc.

 

I would also be surprised to find a basic fault like this in such a highly touted, superlatively laden and expensive camera/lens combination- if I hadn't realised quite a while ago (with Leica):

 

Claims+Price and Reality... Not the same things.

[Guest Emile de Leon]

I too shoot 8x10, and also 5x7 and 4x5. Perhaps you aren't aware of it, but light leaks are a notorious problem with large format cameras and can have any of a number of possible causes. Do a search for the phrase "light leak" on the large format forum and you'll get over 1,000 hits.

 

Here's a summary of possible light leaks with a large format camera, including yours: Large format photography: Light leaks

 

New, your 8x10 (assuming that it's a full feature model) runs $7-10k. If you get a leak, it doesn't mean the camera is rubbish, it's just part of life

 

It is really, really hard to sympathize with the complaint in this thread.

I hear ya bud..

But light leaks go with the territory with old box cams..

And BTW..

I shoot up to 16x20 Wisners at 30lbs not including Ries......so I know about all of that...

8x10 is small format to me...

But that said..

To make a small ...very expensive metal cam...complete with light leaks..that

the Japanese seem to have no problems with..and that the Germans..don't wanna fix..to me is...complete bullshit..

That's my opinion...

[StephenPatterson]

To make a small ...very expensive metal cam...complete with light leaks..that

the Japanese seem to have no problems with..and that the Germans..don't wanna fix..to me is...complete bullshit..

 

Well, the Japanese do have problems with light leaks, this isn't an exclusively Leica problem.

Also no evidence has been shown that Leica somehow "don't wanna fix" this issue. You might find this "complete bullshit" but I for one would much rather have a lens mount that has no issues for the vast majority of exposure values and that allows me to use legacy lenses from 1953 onwards without adapters rather than come up with something completely new.

[earleygallery]

Well I knew Leica should never have dropped the thread mount for this new fangled bayonet system. It's clearly too advanced for now.

[Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS]

Living in Asia would it be possible to have the Leica store in Singapore look at the light leak issue as I will be in Singapore on Monday......or would it be a Germany thingie?

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[Guest borge]

Living in Asia would it be possible to have the Leica store in Singapore look at the light leak issue as I will be in Singapore on Monday......or would it be a Germany thingie?

 

It would need to travel to Germany.

I would send the lens at the same time and get them to test the specific lens with the specific camera so that they actually are able to reproduce the issue.

[Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS]

It would need to travel to Germany.

I would send the lens at the same time and get them to test the specific lens with the specific camera so that they actually are able to reproduce the issue.

 

Borge

Do I get the address from the web also any idea of the turn around time as I leave for Nigeria on the 8th and back home in a month so ideally a turn around time of one month would be perfect.......or is that asking too much?