CheshireCat Posted February 16, 2014 Share #201 Posted February 16, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) TAv mode of Pentax against the pure M mode: TAv mode vs. M mode with auto ISO... - Photo.net Pentax Forum I find the following two posts in that thread very interesting: - I think that if I hadn't imprinted on film so long ago, I would view ISO as a main variable This probably explains a lot of posts against Auto ISO in this thread. - one major benefit is having a separate dial setting for TAv so you don't have auto-iso turned on in Manual mode when you think you're in full-manual mode. This is probably the purpose of TAv. But adding a confusing extra dial setting to "fix the user" is silly. We only need the ISO to be readily visible and adjustable, as it is now a first class citizen just like aperture and shutter. The next digital M should resume the ISO selector wheel (adding the "A" setting for "Auto"). Even users from the film era will understand this, and hopefully welcome this "new" feature with a bit of nostalgia. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lenicolas Posted February 16, 2014 Share #202 Posted February 16, 2014 - I think that if I hadn't imprinted on film so long ago, I would view ISO as a main variable . We only need the ISO to be readily visible and adjustable, as it is now a first class citizen just like aperture and shutter. The next digital M should resume the ISO selector wheel (adding the "A" setting for "Auto"). Agree with you 100%. If Leica puts an auto-iso function, they acknowledge that ISO is just as important a variable as time and aperture. Then they should give it a dedicated button-wheel-knob-whatever. Quite surprising that a brand that advertises "purity" and straightforwardness has made iso a menu item when it's had it's own button on dslrs for over a decade. And why should we wait for the next camera? The M viewfinder shows the iso setting when you turn it on, so the display exists. Now all they need to do is allocate a combination of one button + the thumb wheel to be the iso setting, with control in the viewfinder. I might write to the email provided earlier in the thread about that... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdannn Posted February 17, 2014 Share #203 Posted February 17, 2014 For all of us that want Auto ISO, you can email the following. You can also call or fax. mark.brady<at>leicacamerausa.com I have emailed Mark Brady and he will respond to your emails. The more we ask the better. "The squeaky wheel gets the oil". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaques Posted February 17, 2014 Share #204 Posted February 17, 2014 the logical approach would be to allow the 'm' movie button to become a 'm multi' function button. That way I could disable video, and enable ISO setting. This seems obvious to me and that it wasn't done as a matter of course... At the least the option to disable the M button altogether would have been better than the current implementation. Does anyone think there is a reason this could not be done now in a Firmware update? Or is the 'm' button likely hardware limited? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
viramati Posted February 17, 2014 Share #205 Posted February 17, 2014 Well all I can say is that we were promised this last year by leica and at this rate we could have the 'second coming' first Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted February 17, 2014 Share #206 Posted February 17, 2014 Or is the 'm' button likely hardware limited? Extremely unlikely that any button (other than the lens release) does anything more than send a press/release signal to the firmware code. I believe that even the shutter button has no direct mechanical function, and is nothing more than an ordinary button able to generate an extra "half-press" input code. Therefore I don't see any "hardware" reason why buttons could not be remapped to a different function, as desired by the user. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenicolas Posted February 17, 2014 Share #207 Posted February 17, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) the logical approach would be to allow the 'm' movie button to become a 'm multi' function button. That way I could disable video, and enable ISO setting. This seems obvious to me and that it wasn't done as a matter of course... At the least the option to disable the M button altogether would have been better than the current implementation. Does anyone think there is a reason this could not be done now in a Firmware update? Or is the 'm' button likely hardware limited? You got me confused. Are you talking about the video button or the function button that's on the front of the camera, close to the lens release? I think that function button should be the iso setting when pressed and the thumb wheel is turned. At least in Manual mode with the ovf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted February 17, 2014 Share #208 Posted February 17, 2014 You got me confused. Are you talking about the video button or the function button that's on the front of the camera, close to the lens release?I think that function button should be the iso setting when pressed and the thumb wheel is turned. At least in Manual mode with the ovf. Wouldn't it be better to leave that as it is for dialling in Exposure Compensation and allow the M(ovie) button on the top to be reallocated if desired as a M(ultifunction) button as Jaques suggests? Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted February 17, 2014 Share #209 Posted February 17, 2014 Well all I can say is that we were promised this last year by leica and at this rate we could have the 'second coming' first Beginning to understand what the M9 owners feel like... It is looking like what we have now is what we are going to get. At this point, I'm not expecting any "extras," like assignable buttons. I'd just like the Auto ISO bug and the EVF glitch fixed. It would be nice if it was before the next M comes out. Although, I would bet that Leica is done with the M240 and has moved on to other projects. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenicolas Posted February 17, 2014 Share #210 Posted February 17, 2014 You don't need exposure compensation when shooting manual : the shutter speed wheel is the exposure compensation For A mode... Well I guess then the thumb wheel alone would be exp compensation, and the wheel + front button = iso? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted February 17, 2014 Share #211 Posted February 17, 2014 You don't need exposure compensation when shooting manual ... We'll just have to disagree then. For example, when I'm shooting a snow scene I want to be able to dial in a couple of stops of compensation because I know that the camera's meter will be fooled by the snow's brightness and carry on shooting in manual using the dot and triangles for guidance. Without exposure compensation my snow would look grey instead of snow white. Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenicolas Posted February 17, 2014 Share #212 Posted February 17, 2014 Agree to disagree When I'm shooting snow (which is 6 month a year here in oslo) I figure the correct exposure and then do the correction with aperture or speed. If I have time to make a manual exp, I have time to correct it But I've shot manual as long as I've known what I was doing... If I had been brought up with aperture priority or P mode, maybe my habits would be different now. Edit : after giving it some though, I don't realy see the point of exposure comp when shooting manual. If you've decided the comp you need and dialed it in, why not just shoot aperture priority? Seems too me like you're taking one extra step of setting the exposure with the dot and arrows for no reason... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted February 17, 2014 Share #213 Posted February 17, 2014 I don't realy see the point of exposure comp when shooting manual. If you've decided the comp you need and dialed it in, why not just shoot aperture priority? This is how it works for me, and my point should be easy to see: - Aperture = DOF and rendering character - Time = Blur (or lack of it) - ISO = Balance the exposure. Since the ISO is not related to any artistic parameters, I would like to have the option to have it done automatically (because light conditions change), and apply exposure comp to ISO (because in the current environment and context I like the image darker or lighter than the algorithm does). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenicolas Posted February 17, 2014 Share #214 Posted February 17, 2014 Keith, you're quoting me but I don't think we're discussing the same thing. I have no qualms against auto-iso in any mode. And when you're using any automatism, I think it makes perfect sense to use exposure compensation, because we all know all subjects aren't 18% grey, which is what the automatism would give you. What I was discussing with farn was the relevance of exposure comp in full manual mode : Once you've analyzed the brightness of the scene and set an exposure comp, by exposing with the dot and arrow untill "correct" exposure, you're only achieving the same exposure an automatic mode would have given you, but it took you longer to get there. Anyway, if one feels comfortable shooting that way and gets the pictures they want... I'm not asking anyone to change their habbits I just realised I would not have made a good camera designer, because I can't predict the many ways people use their cameras Envoyé de mon HTC One X en utilisant Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted February 17, 2014 Share #215 Posted February 17, 2014 … Edit : after giving it some though, I don't realy see the point of exposure comp when shooting manual. If you've decided the comp you need and dialed it in, why not just shoot aperture priority? Seems too me like you're taking one extra step of setting the exposure with the dot and arrows for no reason... Because then I wouldn't be shooting manual would I, which I understood to be the thrust of your initial objection. Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
intermediatic Posted March 25, 2014 Share #216 Posted March 25, 2014 Incredible. It's late March and no sign of the firmware!!!!! Yo, Leica, wake up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdsheepdog Posted March 25, 2014 Share #217 Posted March 25, 2014 And why should we wait for the next camera? The M viewfinder shows the iso setting when you turn it on, so the display exists. Now all they need to do is allocate a combination of one button + the thumb wheel to be the iso setting, with control in the viewfinder. I might write to the email provided earlier in the thread about that... My M is very new to me, and I may appear to be very stupid, but, I turn the camera on. I press and hold the ISO button on the back. I turn the thumbwheel The ISO goes up, or down. Why is this not what you are looking for? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dant Posted March 25, 2014 Share #218 Posted March 25, 2014 Dear Leica Community, I would like to inform you all that auto iso update is coming soon . Don't want to spill any beans yet but I took part in a big argument that took place in Munich. Some important calls were made including Olaf and a very high ranking representative from Leica A.G. I guess now its on their n:1 priority list. Expect the update soon. Have no use for auto iso. Why buy a Leica if you can't do iso? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdriceman Posted March 26, 2014 Share #219 Posted March 26, 2014 Have no use for auto iso. Why buy a Leica if you can't do iso? Ummmmm.... That's not what this thread is about. Nobody is saying they can't do ISO. Of course everybody reading this thread can "do ISO". However, it appears that there are some here who can't comprehend that there are ways to use such a feature. So you don't have a use for auto ISO? Fair enough... That's apparently good for you and your style of shooting. Others have different styles and auto ISO might help for some of those styles. I've certainly used it on my M9 and other cameras. What's the point of a comment like: "Why buy a Leica if you can't do iso?" ? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted March 26, 2014 Share #220 Posted March 26, 2014 Have no use for auto iso. Why buy a Leica if you can't do iso? Imagination is more important than knowledge. - AE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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