pop Posted March 12, 2014 Share #621 Posted March 12, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) It takes a bit more than a cut. Otherwise, you could cut incisors from molars. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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stuny Posted March 12, 2014 Share #622 Posted March 12, 2014 There's also the high per unit cost of a small production run of sensors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 12, 2014 Share #623 Posted March 12, 2014 That is exactly what we had to do in our first year of study, Philipp. In wax. Still, it does not explain why APS-H is dead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted March 12, 2014 Share #624 Posted March 12, 2014 Serious question: why? It is just a matter of cutting chip wafers. You still had to design a bespoke chip and manufacture relatively small batches. On the other hand there are truly excellent APS-C sensors out there at reasonable prices. But the main point is that APS-H ist mostly wannabe FF. It is what you settle for if you want, but for some reason cannot get, FF. APS-C is a sufficiently different form factor, about one f-stop from either FourThirds or FF. APS-H, on the other hand, is neither fish nor fowl. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted March 12, 2014 Share #625 Posted March 12, 2014 Ah, that sounds like the M. Lighter, smaller, more affordable, AF lenses... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicaiste Posted March 12, 2014 Share #626 Posted March 12, 2014 Well ok: APS-C. By I'm wondering more about the producer of the Leica T sensor. CMOSIS? 12MP? I wonder if CMOSIS has the knowledge to include AF in the sensor. Panasonic clearly has it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted March 12, 2014 Share #627 Posted March 12, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) I wonder if CMOSIS has the knowledge to include AF in the sensor. Panasonic clearly has it. Sensor only converts light into electrical signal, everything else is processed including focusing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted March 12, 2014 Share #628 Posted March 12, 2014 I wonder if CMOSIS has the knowledge to include AF in the sensor. Panasonic clearly has it. The most sophisticated approach is Canon’s, namely dual pixels. The much simpler method used by other vendors is to mask one half of each pixel intended to be used for phase detection. That’s not exactly rocket science. If you want phase detection pixels, any competent sensor manufacturer could deliver. Having said that, off the shelf sensors wouldn’t support this feature. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted March 12, 2014 Share #629 Posted March 12, 2014 Not quite - it was a Panasonic where Leica gave input in the design stage. And got lucky in the lens design - if it was luck I don't see that there was anything innovative about the Digilux 2 and I have no idea what Leica brought to the design. In that era there also was the Olympus E2 and others that I think were better. I don't see much innovation in any of Leica's digital cameras other than any technology that Panasonic brought to a few of the compacts. Leica doesn't even make its own clip on EVFs and uses outdated ones. So again I ask what innovation can Leica bring to this market? It seems to me that the APS and M4/3rds market is pretty well served. I expect a "me too" system that is better late than never. If Leica made a camera similar to the A7r but with a vibration free electronic global shutter, new electronically linked AF lenses that focus as fast as DSLRs and still works well with M lenses, that would be innovative. We'll have to wait a while for that model but when it does arrive it will not be innovative. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 12, 2014 Share #630 Posted March 12, 2014 I think that to Leica sellable and recognizable are more important than innovative. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterv Posted March 12, 2014 Share #631 Posted March 12, 2014 I don't see that there was anything innovative about the Digilux 2 and I have no idea what Leica brought to the design. In that era there also was the Olympus E2 and others that I think were better. I don't see much innovation in any of Leica's digital cameras other than any technology that Panasonic brought to a few of the compacts. Leica doesn't even make its own clip on EVFs and uses outdated ones. So again I ask what innovation can Leica bring to this market? It seems to me that the APS and M4/3rds market is pretty well served. I expect a "me too" system that is better late than never. If Leica made a camera similar to the A7r but with a vibration free electronic global shutter, new electronically linked AF lenses that focus as fast as DSLRs and still works well with M lenses, that would be innovative. We'll have to wait a while for that model but when it does arrive it will not be innovative. Alan, I understand what you're trying to say, but OTOH it is still a relatively short while ago Leica was not producing any digital camera at all. Geez, I remember reading a review of the M7 about ten years ago, where the implementation of automatic exposure in the camera was critised for being un-M-like. (I liked the M7 and the AE was fine) Some felt that the digital red leds indicating shutter time was too modern ... I remember there was in some cases a problem with the DX read out and it was said Leica was no good with electronics because of that. My point is, look how far they have come in ten years. I agree they're not front-runners when it comes to electronics, but they are getting better at it, pretty fast. I don't expect the T system, or whatever it's called, to have all the latest and greatest electronics. For that there is Sony, Panasonic, etc. with huge R&D budgets and in house electronics manufacturing. But Leica has proved over the past few years that they can deliver a digital imaging device that has it's own strengths in the optical department and not in the least, in ergonomics. If Leica brings a nice small APS-C camera with great ergonomics and outstanding glass, that's fine by me and I'm in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted March 12, 2014 Share #632 Posted March 12, 2014 If Leica brings a nice small APS-C camera with great ergonomics and outstanding glass, that's fine by me and I'm in. I agree and that is about what I am expecting although I think ergonomics may be a personal issue and I find the "old fashion" shutter speed and f stop dials lacking. Having no grip built into the body shape and having to look at the top of the lens to set the f stop is pretty non-ergonomic to me. I also like it when I can change lenses and the camera remembers what f stop I am using and when I can see important information on the top, back, and inside the viewfinder. The Sony A7 looks like a well thought out camera but I came to the conclusion, despite some interesting features, I would never be able to use it as fluidly as I can use a 5D Mk III. But if the new system is even a run of the mill contender it will sell to those who want an APS Leica and hopefully make a good profit for Leica. I just don't believe it will be anything to get excited about. Hopefully, I'll be proven wrong. If we give Leica credit for its early scanning back and also for input in its collaboration with Panasonic, and work with partners on the DMR, then we can't really say they are so new to the game. So I don't cut them any slack here. Consider that a surfer with no camera design experience was able in 10 years to get the GoPro company from where he was raising seed money by selling belts on a beach from his VW van to the point where GoPro's are being sold in countless shops worldwide. 10 years is a long time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jankap Posted March 14, 2014 Share #633 Posted March 14, 2014 Will it be possible to use speed boosters on the T? Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jankap Posted March 14, 2014 Share #634 Posted March 14, 2014 Or will there be room for a shift adapter perhaps even for M-lenses? Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterv Posted March 15, 2014 Share #635 Posted March 15, 2014 Don't know if this link was shared already, just more speculation to pass the time until April 24th 10 Speculations About the Upcoming Leica Mirrorless Camera | Leica BOSS Except for point 2, 6 and 9, I tend to agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB W Posted March 15, 2014 Share #636 Posted March 15, 2014 Thanks for that link, Peter - I enjoyed it and did have a chuckle or two while reading it. Time will tell but it's fun to read and speculate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnwolf Posted March 15, 2014 Share #637 Posted March 15, 2014 Do you suppose Panasonic will use this as an oppurtunity to venture beyond m4/3? I would think so. Not that it's a poor format, but they've had all their eggs in one basket for a long time. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted March 15, 2014 Share #638 Posted March 15, 2014 Do you suppose Panasonic will use this as an oppurtunity to venture beyond m4/3? I would think so. What has Panasonic got to do with anything? And no, I don’t think Panasonic will introduce an APS-C camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJDrew Posted March 15, 2014 Share #639 Posted March 15, 2014 Don't know if this link was shared already, just more speculation to pass the time until April 24th 10 Speculations About the Upcoming Leica Mirrorless Camera | Leica BOSS Except for point 2, 6 and 9, I tend to agree. Cool! Thanks for lonking to my article. I have been piecing together more insights and heresay, and one point that seems pretty consistent is the high price point. High enough that X Vario users would not be too pouty. It will be quite hard for this system to have a reasonable value proposition. What will this offer, at the price it will likely be, that one cannot match or significantly exceed from an image quality standpoint or usability standpoint...for a fraction of the price? The M system has an answer for that question. An APS-C system may not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted March 16, 2014 Share #640 Posted March 16, 2014 This is a devastating review of the new Nikon V3. I expect Leica doesn't make this kind of mistakes with the new camera... http://www.sansmirror.com/newsviews/nikon-introduces-v3.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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