blackwattle Posted November 7, 2013 Share #1 Posted November 7, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi all, I've been having a problem with my M240 where when attaching any lens using a Voigtlander Leica screw mount to M mount adaptor, the lens is not recognised as being connected, and as such, I cannot use Live View, EVF or video functions. It shoots photos just fine. I've attached my Voigtlander 12mm, shot a number of frames, however video does not work. The camera has an error that reports 'No lens attached' or similar and refuses to go into Live View mode. I contacted Leica, and they told me to set Lens Detection to OFF and try again. Same problem. At this point they told me to send it in for repair. Seeing as I've only had it a very short time, and, being in Australia, this is a pain (and a great expense) whichever way I try to do it (either sending to the authorised repairer in Melbourne or sending straight to Solms) I'm somewhat reticent to do so. Obviously I may end up having to do this, but I thought I'd ask here first to see if anyone had any similar experiences or possible solutions? My only thought is that my adaptor is quite old, and perhaps a newer one (a coded one?) may have a different design and work better in this situation. Has anyone else by any chance experienced this issue? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted November 7, 2013 Posted November 7, 2013 Hi blackwattle, Take a look here Live view and EVF fail with adaptor. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
george + Posted November 7, 2013 Share #2 Posted November 7, 2013 Some adaptors have a cutout where the lens codes are. If yours is one of these it may allow light to enter and confuse the detectors. Newer adaptors cover this area. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rochus Posted November 7, 2013 Share #3 Posted November 7, 2013 Hi, see exact the same behavior. The outer diameter of my (original Leica) adapter is to small to cover the window with the lens code detecting LEDs. So the detecting LEDs do not "see" any lens attached and "rightfully" the camera refuses any operation related to a permanently open shutter like live view, video ect in order to avoid the sensor being accidentally exposed to the outside. Wondering if this can be "repaired" or is a given fact as of the lens detection concept. Rochus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 7, 2013 Share #4 Posted November 7, 2013 The only repair is to get a modern adapter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackwattle Posted November 7, 2013 Author Share #5 Posted November 7, 2013 Thanks all for the quick replies. I'm glad it's not just me experiencing this. Can anyone kindly recommend a modern adaptor that works for them with Live View? Or that they feel would be an appropriate one to look at purchasing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackwattle Posted November 7, 2013 Author Share #6 Posted November 7, 2013 Something like this perhaps? Rayqual 50/75 6 bit coded Leica Screw Mount Type II Leica Screw Mount Lens to Leica M Body Adapter: CameraQuest.com Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 7, 2013 Share #7 Posted November 7, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Even better: The 74$ Voigtlander ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
george + Posted November 7, 2013 Share #8 Posted November 7, 2013 LTM to M adapters. One with cutout (do not use), one without. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/216194-live-view-and-evf-fail-with-adaptor/?do=findComment&comment=2459936'>More sharing options...
blackwattle Posted November 7, 2013 Author Share #9 Posted November 7, 2013 Even better: The 74$ Voigtlander ones. Thanks jaapv. That link didn't work for me for some reason, but I assume you mean the 'Rayqual 28/90 6 bit Coded Leica Screw Mount Type II Leica Screw Mount Lens to Leica M Body Adapter'? I tried to post a link to that very adaptor just before but couldn't (I can only assume due to my lack of posts). I'll order one today and hopefully will have better luck with it. Thanks again for everyone's replies and help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 7, 2013 Share #10 Posted November 7, 2013 Not the Rayqual, the last one on the page, the Voigtländer without cutout. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackwattle Posted November 7, 2013 Author Share #11 Posted November 7, 2013 Not the Rayqual, the last one on the page, the Voigtländer without cutout. Hey Jaapv, that one appears to be a 'Type I' adaptor - does that make a difference? There are two $59 Voigtlander adaptors that are 'Type II' that also appear to not have the cutout as well - are they not suitable? Thanks so much for your help with this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 7, 2013 Share #12 Posted November 7, 2013 I am not sure what the difference is, I guess type I do not have the facility for coding. Do get the correct focal length. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
furcafe Posted November 7, 2013 Share #13 Posted November 7, 2013 There seems to be a bit of confusion. Cameraquest is selling the Voigtlander adapters for $59 (Voigtlander Leica Screw Mt Adapters: CameraQuest.com), but they're using the wrong photos on their web site. Ignore the photos & go for Type II whether it's Rayqual or Voigtlander. Framelines don't really matter w/your 12mm since you're probably using the EVF/screen or accessory VF anyway, but obviously would if you have other LTM lenses. As a side note, a bit of gaffer's tape over the lens sensor on the M body also works as a temporary fix. Hey Jaapv, that one appears to be a 'Type I' adaptor - does that make a difference? There are two $59 Voigtlander adaptors that are 'Type II' that also appear to not have the cutout as well - are they not suitable? Thanks so much for your help with this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skueh Posted November 7, 2013 Share #14 Posted November 7, 2013 Ignore the photos & go for Type II whether it's Rayqual or Voigtlander.. 100% agree. I use 2 Voilgtlande Type II adapters, sharpie coded and work fine with my M(240). Type II adapter has provision for 6-bit coding. The area (the outer portion of the mating flange) is a little bit recessed so the coding will not be smeared after mounting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted November 7, 2013 Share #15 Posted November 7, 2013 Using adapters without the cutout might cause problems with some lenses which have a focussing knob. For instance the 1:5.6/28mm Summaron has a focussing knob sitting rather low. It collides with the adapter's rim, if this doesn't have the coutout so you can't focus it properly. This is the reason why they introduced the cutout - all originals Leica adapters besides the very first ones have it. Though I think there is no real use for live view or the EVF using a 28mm Summaron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackwattle Posted November 8, 2013 Author Share #16 Posted November 8, 2013 Hi all, Thanks so much for the replies. I ended up getting a Type II Rayqual adaptor. Hopefully it will work without issue. It seems it should based on everyone's feedback. Thanks again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith (M) Posted November 8, 2013 Share #17 Posted November 8, 2013 Just looked at the adaptor sold by DigiUnited on eBay (ref post #8). Price is £11.50 inc p&p. Has anyone used one? Any comments on quality, dimensional accuracy and material etc? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bideford Posted November 11, 2013 Share #18 Posted November 11, 2013 I've just tried an old Elmar 50mm f/3.5 which has a cut away due to the infinity lock and focus knob. I can confirm that both Live View and Movie mode do not work. Also noticed that Auto Exposure does not seem to work (not that I would use this lens in dark situations anyway due to its maximum aperture). James Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
microview Posted November 11, 2013 Share #19 Posted November 11, 2013 Live view and EVF work perfectly on my M with 35/2.8 Summaron LTM (uncoded). Lens setting done manually via menu. The Voigtlander 35/135 adapter doesn't have the cutout shown above, but is the current version sold by Robert White. Incidentally, they suggest the 50/75 type adapter was discontinued in September. It only takes a few seconds to set lens identification via the menu if your M has problems as described here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobitybob Posted November 11, 2013 Share #20 Posted November 11, 2013 For those occasions when you need to use an adaptor with a cut out but require the other functions couldn't you cover the LEDs with a piece of black tape? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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