sfage Posted October 13, 2013 Share #41 Posted October 13, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) My God, how awful. I am terribly sorry for your loss. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BerndReini Posted October 13, 2013 Share #42 Posted October 13, 2013 When something like this happens, it really hits home how overpriced Leica gear is. Sometimes I pack my bag and think about how insane it is to walk around with that kind of value. My camera bag and its contents are usually more expensive than the car they travel in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblutter Posted October 13, 2013 Share #43 Posted October 13, 2013 I put a rider on my balloon policy adding the M9 and the most expensive bought new lenses - for replacement value. Otherwise would have been market value - and with digital rot of values... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jankap Posted October 13, 2013 Share #44 Posted October 13, 2013 A very sad story. Please start over again. They were not after your M9, just thieves. Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jankap Posted October 13, 2013 Share #45 Posted October 13, 2013 When something like this happens, it really hits home how overpriced Leica gear is. Sometimes I pack my bag and think about how insane it is to walk around with that kind of value. My camera bag and its contents are usually more expensive than the car they travel in. OK, but I don´t agree with the term "overpriced". Also, one must not show the red dot to everybody. Parking is difficult. Perhaps one is being observed. My neighbor´s car was robbed too, he had no M9. The backpack was not visible, but with most of his papers (credit cards, etc.) gone. Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrendanD Posted October 13, 2013 Share #46 Posted October 13, 2013 When something like this happens, it really hits home how overpriced Leica gear is. Sometimes I pack my bag and think about how insane it is to walk around with that kind of value. My camera bag and its contents are usually more expensive than the car they travel in. Absolutely. My car is worth £3k..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted October 13, 2013 Share #47 Posted October 13, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) I am very sorry to read what's happened to you. I drive often in Europe, to Germany, France and Italy and I normally take my Ferrari to Italy. It's quite normal for people to crowd round to have a look and it's never really occurred to me that there might be a malicious intent. I think of where I have left my car in the past and what has happened to you and it makes me feel quite fortunate. I expect you were being watched by a criminal gang as you drove into the rest area who then got to work. I assume you locked your car, I assume the car was alarmed and I assume they smashed a side window to get in. What surprises me is that this then gave them access to the boot/trunk. In some cars, even if the doors have been opened with the car still locked, it cannot be opened except of course by taking an angle grinder to it. I think it's a mistake to transfer stuff to the boot in public view - you are essentially saying you have things which you wish to secure and it's an open invitation to someone to have a go at getting them. I leave nothing on display in the car though of course with a UK licence plate, it would be reasonable to assume there's stuff inside the boot. As I say, I feel fortunate that I have not so far had a problem but I will learn from your bad experience and be especially careful. I am sorry and I hope you are able to recover at least some value from insurance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marac Posted October 13, 2013 Share #48 Posted October 13, 2013 That is awful I am so sorry you had this bad experience but as a few have said here, don't let it shatter your dream, you are safe & well and you can get another Leica. The fu****s that stole your stuff will meet with the demise soon enough. Karma can be a bitch, they will get theirs soon enough. Stay Positive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andi_77 Posted October 13, 2013 Author Share #49 Posted October 13, 2013 I expect you were being watched by a criminal gang as you drove into the rest area who then got to work. I assume you locked your car, I assume the car was alarmed and I assume they smashed a side window to get in. What surprises me is that this then gave them access to the boot/trunk. In some cars, even if the doors have been opened with the car still locked, it cannot be opened except of course by taking an angle grinder to it. I think it's a mistake to transfer stuff to the boot in public view - you are essentially saying you have things which you wish to secure and it's an open invitation to someone to have a go at getting them. I leave nothing on display in the car though of course with a UK licence plate, it would be reasonable to assume there's stuff inside the boot. That's probably what happened... It's a 2013 BMW 320D Touring. They smashed the small, fixed part of the rear right door window. I honestly don't know whether you can open the door when they're locked by simply using the lever on the interior after you broke the window. I should check, I honestly don't know... The thing is, I haven't touched my car after Friday night, it's still full of broken glass, tomorrow I'll drive to the BMW dealership but for the moment I'm using my motorbike, driving the car would make me more depressed right now. I agree with you, I NEVER open the boot when I stop, and I NEVER put anything in it in a rest stop parking. I always take what I need before I leave, and then I only open it when I'm at my destination. I strongly believe they were aiming at the satnav/car stereo/iDrive "block", then they opened the boot "just in case", and found the rest. Anyway, today I decided that - in case the insurance doesn't cover my loss - I will a Leica anyway. I will sell half of an investment I made a few years ago, but it's OK. I'm neither rich nor poor, but since the last year of has been has not been exactly happy, I'm not willing to stop taking pictures with a good camera, because that's one of the few things that makes me happy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mca Posted October 13, 2013 Share #50 Posted October 13, 2013 Very sorry to hear your story. From my understanding, car insurances usually don't cover items you leave in the car that don't belong to the car. I have heard so many stories about stolen computers and cameras from the trunk of the car that I never leave anything of value in it anymore, I always take it with me. The good thing about you sharing your story is that many of us will be more careful in the future. Good luck to you in buying a new Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest borge Posted October 13, 2013 Share #51 Posted October 13, 2013 Just remember to get a specific insurance for your camera gear next time. I had an accident with my Monochrom + 50 Summilux ASPH and without the insurance it would have cost a whole lot to fix it. But the insurance took care of it. The insurance also covers all sorts of accidents and theft, and you get back what it costs to pay for equalent new gear at the time of the accident/theft, even if you have to get a newer camera model because the one you have is not available any more. I pay about $200 a year to insure my camera gear. It's a cost, but it's already saved me once... And it gives me peace of mind to use the gear and bring it with me without being afraid to loose it, damage it or if it is stolen. Totally worth it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafael_macia Posted October 13, 2013 Share #52 Posted October 13, 2013 Sorry to hear. Make sure you make a police report, so you can at least deduct the loss on your taxes. Sounds like this could happen to anybody. The type of insurance you want for camera gear is what is called a "floater policy" .... that covers you when you travel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your Old Dog Posted October 13, 2013 Share #53 Posted October 13, 2013 Treat the stuff in your car like it is going to get stolen and it likely won't. My Leica kit is in a padded nylon lunch bag with compartments and it looks like a padded nylon lunch bag from the street. I had a hat that I really like stolen out of the backseat of my car once and have been on guard ever since and have lost nothing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted October 14, 2013 Share #54 Posted October 14, 2013 Anyway, today I decided that - in case the insurance doesn't cover my loss - I will (edit...buy) a Leica anyway. I trust not before you line up proper insurance. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted October 14, 2013 Share #55 Posted October 14, 2013 That is awful I am so sorry you had this bad experience but as a few have said here, don't let it shatter your dream, you are safe & well and you can get another Leica. The fu****s that stole your stuff will meet with the demise soon enough. Karma can be a bitch, they will get theirs soon enough. Stay Positive. Time wounds all heels! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted October 14, 2013 Share #56 Posted October 14, 2013 Car insurance for valuables can be tricky, so please read the terms to cover the detail of the events, it may be that your employer does not have adequate insurance, so then it's personal items and your home policy, but cars can complicate the cover. I really hope you can recover the goods or get paid on Insurance, do you have the serial numbers ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted October 14, 2013 Share #57 Posted October 14, 2013 Tortona... I suppose along the A21 TO-PC-BS... last year, at the Stradella' s Autogrill, during a short coffee break, they took the PC from my car : no harm, no broken glass... : they were so smart to use a radio device which intercepts the remote control when I closed the car : found it intact, doors unblocked... Police told me that there was 10% chance to identify the thieves, 1% to arrest them, 0,1% to find my gear... Sorry for your disadventure... I'm too a customer of Ryuchi Watanabe, nice people to deal with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jankap Posted October 14, 2013 Share #58 Posted October 14, 2013 Electronic devices, eh. Of course this could be expected, the lock mechanism in car radios is not safe too. Do we have to secure our stuff with active means (a mine, tear gas or so)? Perhaps hiding our camera in surveillance mode? Leica has no autofocus. Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jankap Posted October 14, 2013 Share #59 Posted October 14, 2013 A wireless babysitter device connected to an iPhone would do too. The question remains, what does one do, if an alarm comes up? Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andi_77 Posted October 14, 2013 Author Share #60 Posted October 14, 2013 Just remember to get a specific insurance for your camera gear next time.I had an accident with my Monochrom + 50 Summilux ASPH and without the insurance it would have cost a whole lot to fix it. But the insurance took care of it. The insurance also covers all sorts of accidents and theft, and you get back what it costs to pay for equalent new gear at the time of the accident/theft, even if you have to get a newer camera model because the one you have is not available any more. I pay about $200 a year to insure my camera gear. It's a cost, but it's already saved me once... And it gives me peace of mind to use the gear and bring it with me without being afraid to loose it, damage it or if it is stolen. Totally worth it. The problem is that the US is a country where the concept of "service" is important. I hate to say this, but in Italy it is not like that. Finding an honest insurance on cameras is extremely complicated. I will definitely try, but it's really complicated, you risk paying for a service that you won't get... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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