barjohn Posted October 30, 2013 Share #1761 Posted October 30, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) I liked the first image better as it has more vibrance and pop. By the way the D800e sensor is a Sony CMOS not a CMOSIS (that is the company that does the Leica M 240 sensor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 30, 2013 Posted October 30, 2013 Hi barjohn, Take a look here The Sony A7 thread [Merged]. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Rick Posted October 30, 2013 Share #1762 Posted October 30, 2013 Hi John - I'll play along while I wait for the next posting of a brick building. The first one has harsh specular highlights in the bokeh in the background, the color of the flower is off and the lawn is yellowish, the transition from sharp to blur is harsh. The second, has smooth background bokeh, the color of the flower is more natural, the lawn is green and the color is generally rich, the transition from sharp to blur is smooth. So, I hope the second is the bokehlishish 50/1.4 Summilux. Also the color is just a lot nicer in the second. I own the Summilux and I had the M9. Those color and lens characteristics of that combination seem to show through even on these small jpegs viewed on my MacAir 11". How'd I do? Rick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted October 30, 2013 Share #1763 Posted October 30, 2013 I liked the first image better as it has more vibrance and pop. By the way the D800e sensor is a Sony CMOS not a CMOSIS (that is the company that does the Leica M 240 sensor. Typo Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted October 30, 2013 Share #1764 Posted October 30, 2013 Hi John - I'll play along while I wait for the next posting of a brick building. The first one has harsh specular highlights in the bokeh in the background, the color of the flower is off and the lawn is yellowish, the transition from sharp to blur is harsh. The second, has smooth background bokeh, the color of the flower is more natural, the lawn is green and the color is generally rich, the transition from sharp to blur is smooth. So, I hope the second is the bokehlishish 50/1.4 Summilux. Also the color is just a lot nicer in the second. I own the Summilux and I had the M9. Those color and lens characteristics of that combination seem to show through even on these small jpegs viewed on my MacAir 11". How'd I do? Rick Consistent to a fault! Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted October 30, 2013 Share #1765 Posted October 30, 2013 I've converted a Leica file in sRGB into Adobe and Wide Color Gamut ones through "Image data converter". They look different as shown in: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/iqxudxsepfd35wj/XDK_LnMibo Interesting... my educated guess is that narrower gamuts are stretched to cover wider gamuts. This will produce inaccurate colors, but perhaps more appealing to some users. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted October 30, 2013 Share #1766 Posted October 30, 2013 I tend to prefer the 2nd for colors and bokeh, even if, as a longtime shooter of roses, I would have seen the original to decide definitely "which is best"... with flowers not always the "best picture" is "the best photo of THAT flower" So... with the above warning, I obviously think that 2nd is from Leica... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted October 30, 2013 Share #1767 Posted October 30, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) One of these images is taken on my M9 (Truesense CCD) with Summilux 50/1.4 ASPH and the other on my D800E (36 MP CMOSIS) with Nikkor Micro AF-S 60/2.8. Both at f/2.8. First image is crisper and colors are so much better that I wonder whether you performed accurate white balance in post. I don't own Nikkor lenses, but the first image is what I would expect from Leica glass. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted October 30, 2013 Share #1768 Posted October 30, 2013 No white balance adjustments on either - auto in camera for both. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Chen Posted October 30, 2013 Share #1769 Posted October 30, 2013 Interesting... my educated guess is that narrower gamuts are stretched to cover wider gamuts. This will produce inaccurate colors, but perhaps more appealing to some users. The coverage of SONY "Triliminos dispaly" color space is between those of the Wide Gamut RGB and Adobe RGB, featuring more red and blue as well as a little bit more green than that of Adobe RGB. Therefore, allowing an image with a Wide Gamut color space to playback on a "Triliminos dispaly" monitor or TV can be a new visual experience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jankap Posted October 30, 2013 Share #1770 Posted October 30, 2013 If you are interested in M(240), why does this one fail? Or buys Nikon its sensors in Belgium too? There are too much parameters. The bokeh of nr. 2 I like better, but that would be the lens. If it is possible to photoshop nr.1 to nr.2 and vice versa, would also be an interesting question. You give 2 transformations of an unknown reality. Is more bass or more treble better? A nice brick wall by the way. Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohannB Posted October 30, 2013 Share #1771 Posted October 30, 2013 1st Image is by a CMOS sensor and the second by a CCD sensor. The transition between the colours in the flower petals in the first picture is too harsh and defined. The flower is also just "too" perfectly exposed due to a lack of better words. Makes it look artificial. With regard to Bokeh I agree with RickLeica's comments. The contributing factor here is the lenses. Johann Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted October 30, 2013 Share #1772 Posted October 30, 2013 I don't care what should be the true colors on either-I still like the left which as someone said has more pop and vibrance. Since the left is larger of the two by just a little bit, perhaps that is the 60mm lens versus the 50mm on the right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted October 30, 2013 Share #1773 Posted October 30, 2013 We are really talking about taste here. For my taste the first image is crisp and isolates the flower well. In contrast the second image appears to me to be rather flat and dull. Believe it or not. I love my Leica gear, especially the lenses. Maybe for me it's the same as with music. I really can't bring myself anymore to listen to perfect studio recorded music. Imperfect live recordings seem so much more full of live and interesting to me. My 2 cents. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted October 30, 2013 Share #1774 Posted October 30, 2013 Regarding those flower photos, wouldn't you expect to be able to get either of those looks from the A7r or any other good camera as long as you were willing to make a few adjustments in the raw conversion process? And of course there are lots of adjustments to the jpeg shooting characteristics of cameras. You are not locked in to a particular look with any camera and photographers typically vary the look from shot to shot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrismuc Posted October 30, 2013 Share #1775 Posted October 30, 2013 http://3zgehi1uaxi23dphbrgqa50r6z.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Chris-Gampat-The-Phoblographer-Sony-A7r-and-Zeiss-Otus-55mm-f1.4-lens-sample-images-9-of-10ISO-1001-1250-sec-at-f-1.4.jpg A7R + Zeiss 55f1.4 via Metabones adapter at f1.4! skin tone, bokeh, sharpness, lack of chromatic aberrations, woah! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted October 30, 2013 Share #1776 Posted October 30, 2013 http://3zgehi1uaxi23dphbrgqa50r6z.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Chris-Gampat-The-Phoblographer-Sony-A7r-and-Zeiss-Otus-55mm-f1.4-lens-sample-images-9-of-10ISO-1001-1250-sec-at-f-1.4.jpg A7R + Zeiss 55f1.4 via Metabones adapter at f1.4! skin tone, bokeh, sharpness, lack of chromatic aberrations, woah! Thanks. Very nice! Where did you find that reference? Here is another shot of the same person. Day Two: Sony A7 and A7r with Zeiss Otus and more! | STEVE HUFF PHOTOS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfage Posted October 30, 2013 Share #1777 Posted October 30, 2013 All hope is not lost as long as we don't get corners like this (Canon 5D, Elmarit-R 28/2.8 # 11204). Encouraging for me. YMMV. Ummmm. I have exactly the same set-up. I am not getting what you're getting... so.... it's either in front of the lens or behind it. Sorry "brah"... not to be a dick but... the example you posted is ridiculous. That's not the camera "effing up". Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! http://www.vogue.it/en/photovogue/Portfolio/9cb3f24b-7776-4cc3-af0b-b0bcf1daa32b/Fullscreen Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! http://www.vogue.it/en/photovogue/Portfolio/9cb3f24b-7776-4cc3-af0b-b0bcf1daa32b/Fullscreen ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/214267-the-sony-a7-thread-merged/?do=findComment&comment=2453890'>More sharing options...
Phil U Posted October 30, 2013 Share #1778 Posted October 30, 2013 Thanks. Very nice! Where did you find that reference? Here is another shot of the same person. Day Two: Sony A7 and A7r with Zeiss Otus and more! | STEVE HUFF PHOTOS Quick Samples: Sony A7r and Zeiss 55mm f1.4 Otus - The Phoblographer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfage Posted October 30, 2013 Share #1779 Posted October 30, 2013 Someone -earlier- posted a really lousy example of shooting with a 5d2 Elmarit 28 R. They were complaining about edge-to-edge sharpness. So, in that light, I went out this morning, specifically to shoot a few examples with this combination. I'm not seeing his problem. All sizes | Gator-Tree-2-new | Flickr - Photo Sharing! All sizes | Gator-Tree-new | Flickr - Photo Sharing! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/214267-the-sony-a7-thread-merged/?do=findComment&comment=2454042'>More sharing options...
kdriceman Posted October 30, 2013 Share #1780 Posted October 30, 2013 Here is an overview of "What We’re Finding Wrong With the Sony A7 and A7r So Far" by one blogger. http://www.thephoblographer.com/2013/10/30/finding-wrong-sony-a7-a7r-far/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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