jaapv Posted December 22, 2014 Share #4681 Posted December 22, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) So a "new"camera model every six months is convincing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted December 22, 2014 Posted December 22, 2014 Hi jaapv, Take a look here The Sony A7 thread [Merged]. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
gyoung Posted December 22, 2014 Share #4682 Posted December 22, 2014 So far each model has complemented the existing ones, for different users, not 'one size fits all' Gerry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted December 22, 2014 Share #4683 Posted December 22, 2014 So a "new"camera model every six months is convincing? If they keep making new models, eventually I may buy one that has what I need. What's wrong with that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 22, 2014 Share #4684 Posted December 22, 2014 So a "new"camera model every six months is convincing? Charting new frontiers every six months is impressing indeed. Looking back at the last 3 years I've only bought film gear and vintage lenses, though. Really liked your pre-last avatar btw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 23, 2014 Share #4685 Posted December 23, 2014 It's Christmas time I pinched it from Leica CS. (with permission) The pre-last one is still in my computer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 23, 2014 Share #4686 Posted December 23, 2014 If they keep making new models, eventually I may buy one that has what I need. What's wrong with that? Well, it is a bit like throwing new cameras at the wall and watching which one will stick... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Chen Posted December 23, 2014 Share #4687 Posted December 23, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Ii assume all the comments above relate to the aspheric 50 Summilux, has anyone any experience of the last pre aspheric version? I have seen comments that the 50 Summicron does well on the A7, is the exit pupil distance longer for that I wonder. Gerry Gerry, 3 pcs. of images at Dropbox, A7R + 50 Lux preASHP on Gitzo aluminum tripod, 2 second self timer, focusing at the building that the overhanged crane points to. Other image data are attached to files. The scenes are not so contrasty, weather not permmitting. Sorry! https://www.dropbox.com/sh/6kj46fi2krxksg1/AAA89zb_WoK5rKXdVkygZrl7a?dl=0 All the Best, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gyoung Posted December 23, 2014 Share #4688 Posted December 23, 2014 Thanks Thomas, we are just about to go away to my son and family for Christmas so have only a chance to look on my phone till the end of the week. I'll have a proper look when we get back. Compliments of the season of course, and thanks for your help in my interminable indecision about these cameras, I really must make a new year resolution to come to a decision! Best wishes, Gerry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted December 23, 2014 Share #4689 Posted December 23, 2014 The GetDPI Photography Forums - View Single Post - IBIS issue A7II Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted December 23, 2014 Share #4690 Posted December 23, 2014 Well, it is a bit like throwing new cameras at the wall and watching which one will stick... Not at all. Many of these cameras look great to me and seem to be selling well. But I don't actually need anything "better" than what I own unless it provides something especially compelling for my pro work. (And my clients are happy with what I am using.) The faster companies develop cameras, the more choices we all get... whether we take advantage of them or not. Other than for my pro work, the A6000 looks like a nice choice for me for a light small inexpensive camera. The A7II and many others may be overkill for my needs. I was very happy using the Nex 6 in Cuba and am thinking of giving that to my girlfriend and getting the A6000 for its faster AF. Here are some shots from a Bar Mitzvah in Cuba. I started out shooting Bar Mitzvahs at age 16 so I've come full circle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimKasson Posted December 24, 2014 Share #4691 Posted December 24, 2014 Well, it is a bit like throwing new cameras at the wall and watching which one will stick... I don't look at it that way at all. I bought all three of the alpha 7 series, plus the reworking of the a7 with IBIS. My original a7 is at LifePixel being converted for IR. For me, each of the original a7x cameras filled a different niche, and I used them for different things. The a7R is a great hi-res camera that needs care on the part of the user to extract what it's capable of, mostly do to a shutter shock issue. BTW, the M240 has the same issue, but the workaround is easier: turn off live view before releasing the shutter. I use the a7R for stationary subjects, with ND filters to get the shutter speed to safe ranges, mostly with focus stacking. It's a great camera for that. Now that the D810 is out, with EFCS, I may convert to it, but if I do, I'll sure miss the articulating LCD. The a7 is an excellent general purpose camera. It works well with the 90 'cron and the 135 APO Telyt, and especially the WATE. The 55 FE is an incredible lens. With those lenses alone you've got most of the focal lengths you'll need in a nice small package (except the 90 'cron isn't small; it is the smallest lens in that range that I own, however.) There's no rangefinder on the a7, of course, but with that set of lenses, I don't miss it. The 90 and 135 need live view for consistent focusing, the 55 FE has AF, and the WATE can be zone focused in most situations, and live view is needed in the really tricky ones where you need off-center focus accuracy. The M240 is a better choice for some fluid situations with 24, 28, and 35mm lenses. The cameras' strengths are different. I never find myself agonizing over whether to take the M240 or the a7 to do a particular job. The a7S is great in low light, and the all-electronic shutter option means you can use it in situations where you either couldn't shoot at all or you'd need a sound blimp. I have used $5000 underwater camera housings as sound blimps before, so the a7S looks like a bargain in comparison. Plus, you can hand hold it for extended periods, which was never the case with aluminum housings. There are many assignments that I had to turn down when I was photographing musicians that I could now do easily with the a7S if I were still working in that way. The a7S also has impressive video capabilities. I bought it with the idea of doing synthetic slit scan work but I'm still waiting on the external recorder. So, I don't think what Sony is doing, at least with the alpha 7 series, is at all haphazard. There is no universal photographic tool. They are building cameras that are useful in different situations. More power to them. Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecaton Posted December 25, 2014 Share #4692 Posted December 25, 2014 The bloated A7II just made me realize why the M is such a brilliant system for my needs. I want FF, RF, small and excellent optics delivering already fully open. I used the current rebates on M lenses to put a compact and light M travel kit together and ordered the 28 Elmarit asph (180 grams), new 50/2.4 Summarit (190 grams) and ME 90 (240 grams). Try to do this with a Sony A..... without compromising on either weight and size, lens performance or on both. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecaton Posted December 25, 2014 Share #4693 Posted December 25, 2014 Well, it is a bit like throwing new cameras at the wall and watching which one will stick... Three stuck with me, for about 2 months each. And then the fell of. The M9 stuck for 5 years and will continue to do so. The write off on the 3 Sonys is at least as big as the one on the M9, but in a much shorter time period. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
naturephoto1 Posted December 25, 2014 Share #4694 Posted December 25, 2014 The bloated A7II just made me realize why the M is such a brilliant system for my needs. I want FF, RF, small and excellent optics delivering already fully open. I used the current rebates on M lenses to put a compact and light M travel kit together and ordered the 28 Elmarit asph (180 grams), new 50/2.4 Summarit (190 grams) and ME 90 (240 grams). Try to do this with a Sony A..... without compromising on either weight and size, lens performance or on both. Try to do as well with the M240 with R lenses longer than 135mm or R zoom lenses as they perform on the A7 series cameras and in particular when tripod mounted with the A7r for resolution (though must deal with vibration mitigation measures for 100mm and longer in the 1/125 to about 1/30 second range) and with the A7s for high ISO situations. And don't even think about using R lenses on an M9 or an ME. Also, unless I am mistaken, the only one of the 3 lenses that you have mentioned of the 3 (28mm Elmarit) should perform quite well on the A7 series cameras (though the A7 series does not provide RF focus capabilities). Rich Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecaton Posted December 25, 2014 Share #4695 Posted December 25, 2014 Try to do as well with the M240 with R lenses longer than 135mm or R zoom lenses as they perform on the A7 series cameras and in particular when tripod mounted with the A7r for resolution (though must deal with vibration mitigation measures for 100mm and longer in the 1/125 to about 1/30 second range) and with the A7s for high ISO situations. And don't even think about using R lenses on an M9 or an ME. Also, unless I am mistaken, the only one of the 3 lenses that you have mentioned of the 3 (28mm Elmarit) should perform quite well on the A7 series cameras (though the A7 series does not provide RF focus capabilities). Rich No idea what you are trying to say? I was talking about compact and lightweight, mentioning a wide, one normal and one moderately long prime lens, all compact, tiny with excellent optical performance. You respond with: "longer than 135mm, R zooms, tripods". Why should I ever want to use such lenses on my M9. If I want to go very high resolution, big and long NIKON has some answers as well, better ones than Sony imo:confused:. For compactness and quality lenses, the M beats the Sony Ar. For high resolution stuff and file quality and working with long lenses the Nikon (810) beats the Sony Ar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
naturephoto1 Posted December 26, 2014 Share #4696 Posted December 26, 2014 No idea what you are trying to say? I was talking about compact and lightweight, mentioning a wide, one normal and one moderately long prime lens, all compact, tiny with excellent optical performance. You respond with: "longer than 135mm, R zooms, tripods". Why should I ever want to use such lenses on my M9. If I want to go very high resolution, big and long NIKON has some answers as well, better ones than Sony imo:confused:. For compactness and quality lenses, the M beats the Sony Ar. For high resolution stuff and file quality and working with long lenses the Nikon (810) beats the Sony Ar. There was another line of Leica and Leica lenses for over 40 years. They are and were the R (reflex) cameras and lenses and many of us have them. You can use a single body option with these, M and other lenses. The R lenses work well (for macro, wide angle, telephoto, zoom) on the A7 series cameras as a small compact system along with a select group of M lenses. Just as they would with the M240 but the A7 series cameras have many advantages over using such a set-up with the M240 as well as with the Nikon system of cameras. No other FF camera system beside the M240 has the capabilities of using virtually all R system lenses as well as to at least mount all M lenses. Additionally with a helicoid adapter, the M lenses can focus closer on the A7 series cameras than they can on an M series camera. There is no question that the M240 and the M9 and ME will work better with many of the M lenses than the A7 series cameras (particularly wide angle). Particular M series Wide angle and other M lenses perform exceptionally well on the A7 series cameras. The A7 series cameras have the ability of accepting almost any lens system that can be mounted onto a FF camera system. The A7 series cameras have the ability of making a compact system of M, R and virtually any other system (Manual Focus lenses particularly) for a single body unlike the possibility of a Nikon System. In order to accept and use the kind of system that can be built around the A7 system you would either require either an M240 camera or a system of at least 2 camera bodies as in an M9/ME and a Nikon Camera body. So, for the possibility of a single camera small single camera for field work for macro, wide angle, to long focal lengths and zooms to use any M lenses and R lenses you would either need an M240 camera or an A7 Series camera. As to the High Resolution system the A7r is quite close to the performance of the D800. D800E and the D810 cameras and are a much smaller and lighter platform that offers a far superior Live View performance. Rich Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kallhu Posted December 26, 2014 Share #4697 Posted December 26, 2014 Please, please, beware friendship and peace! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! A7 with Elmarit 2,8/90 nearest distance with an Helicoid-Adapter (0,7m), f:2,8, ISO 5000 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! A7 with Elmarit 2,8/90 nearest distance with an Helicoid-Adapter (0,7m), f:2,8, ISO 5000 ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/214267-the-sony-a7-thread-merged/?do=findComment&comment=2735311'>More sharing options...
jankap Posted December 26, 2014 Share #4698 Posted December 26, 2014 Wasn´t there a forum member who wanted to let remove the sensor glass of an A7 model? It must have been about an year ago. It would be interesting to hear/read his findings. I remember, that he found a repair shop, that offered such a manipulation. A similar task like preparing a camera for IR photography. Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
viramati Posted December 26, 2014 Share #4699 Posted December 26, 2014 The bloated A7II just made me realize why the M is such a brilliant system for my needs. I want FF, RF, small and excellent optics delivering already fully open. I used the current rebates on M lenses to put a compact and light M travel kit together and ordered the 28 Elmarit asph (180 grams), new 50/2.4 Summarit (190 grams) and ME 90 (240 grams). Try to do this with a Sony A..... without compromising on either weight and size, lens performance or on both. Well I would hardly call the A7II bloated, yes it is marginally bigger a a little heavier than the A7 but as a body is still lighter than the Leica M. Yes the lenses are larger and heavier and this is a drawback to the system. but the FE55 and FE16-35 are truly wonderful lenses and the FE35 is very small and light. In fact the FE35 and the A7s make for a small package with incredible flexibility and IQ (for a12mp sensor) and is a lot lighter than the M. I have the leica M and a lot of leica glass but I'm afraid to say that I now find the A7II and the A7s have become my main cameras. I can carry the A7II with 16-35, A7s with 24-70 and the FE55 all easily in my old Billingham Hadley pro just as I used to with 2 leica bodes plus the WATE, 28 cron asph, 50 lux asph and 90 elmarit M and I reckon the weight would have been around the same. The only real lens that I miss not being able to use (or have an equivalent of) is the 28 summicron asph my all time favourite leica lens but sony are coming out with an FE28/f2 next year so I hope it will be good. The longer leica M lenses such as my elmarit-m 90 and api-telyt 135 are ahoy to use and focus on the A7II due to IBIS which not only makes for sharp images at lower shutter speeds but also makes focus so much easier when in magnified view due to the steadier image. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Chen Posted December 27, 2014 Share #4700 Posted December 27, 2014 The only real lens that I miss not being able to use (or have an equivalent of) is the 28 summicron asph my all time favourite leica lens David, Can you send my some images created by 28 Cron and A7 II via Dropbox? Preferably including that of close focus, middle distance, and aiming at infinity. Thanks a lot. Best Regards, Thomas Chen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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