lct Posted July 24, 2013 Share #221 Posted July 24, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) ...I can see for myself how well it works with my wide M lenses... Not on a FF body i guess right? That is all the question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kdriceman Posted July 24, 2013 Share #222 Posted July 24, 2013 The reason might be that it won't perform well with your wider M lenses and lacks a rangefinder? That, and the rangefinder experience are the only reasons I'm able to come up with. Decent enough reasons, but it is a large premium to pay when I have bodies that give me both the rangefinder experience and give stunning results with my wide M lenses... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdriceman Posted July 24, 2013 Share #223 Posted July 24, 2013 Not on a FF body i guess right? That is all the question. Poor wording on my part. A Nex FF would probably perform fine with 50mm+ M lenses. That would give a less expensive, but very capable, tool with which to use my M lenses for probably 75% of my needs. Once in hand, I could determine for myself if I could live with its performance with M wides. We will see. It's all speculation for now anyway. I have neither the M or Nex FF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted July 26, 2013 Share #224 Posted July 26, 2013 The real question is, if they make a full frame, interchangeable lens camera, will the exit pupil size and register distance be similar to the M mount cameras. That would be rather unlikely. If so, will the wide angle lenses work with such a camera. They might. Or they might not. Sony would have to fight the same issues that Leica did combat with microlens shifting (M8, M9) and redesigned microlenses (M). How successful they would be is anyone’s guess. On the other hand I believe that Sony would much rather avoid those issues altogether. I'm not sure why this question continually gets reduced to the rather absurd suggestion that Sony will make a camera designed for some one else's lenses. Of course it is quite absurd. Still some people are looking forward to Sony’s rumoured FF EVIL camera, believing it could perform better with M lenses than Leica’s own M does. As I have said repeatedly, I am not at all convinced of that happening. How good is the M mount design It was a good design for a rangefinder camera and silver-halide film, but not at all how you would design a mount for an FF EVIL system today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3D-Kraft.com Posted July 26, 2013 Share #225 Posted July 26, 2013 Of course it is quite absurd. Still some people are looking forward to Sony’s rumoured FF EVIL camera, believing it could perform better with M lenses than Leica’s own M does. As I have said repeatedly, I am not at all convinced of that happening. The first four shots in this album show the VG900 with CV 15, SEM 21, ZM 28 and SX 35 VG900 - a set on Flickr The examples are not choosen very luckily and it is not a 1:1 comparison to a Leica M but at least I do not recognize problems with color shifts. Compared to a NEX-7 that has serious color shift problems with some WA lenses already at APS-C crop, the pixels have about twice the size on a FF sensor with the same resolution which already reduces the chance of a color shift. As Sony takes another year time out to optimze the next sensor generation, I am sure, the results will be at least not worse. But what means "perform better"? Is it only about color shift/edge smearing? For me performance is also about resolution (the FF-NEX will most propably provide a higher resolution), sensivity, dynamic range etc allowing to push the limits further. And I desperately missed the option to shift the focus magnification area on the M in order to compensate field curvature of lenses and to allow focusing on a tripod without loosening the mount. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptZoom Posted July 31, 2013 Share #226 Posted July 31, 2013 The rumor mill is churning and the word is the official announcement is due late September. Sony is a fierce competitor and they tend to enter markets with a clear goal of dominating it. To this end, they have an excellent track record (televisions, gaming systems, music labels, etc) with some epic fails (Beta vs VHS). Sony's also surprisingly nimble. There're also part of the mirrorless camera movement. Now it seems they're getting ready to launch a potent offense and if the rumors turn out to be true, their competitors should be worried. That being said, I'm not sure Sony considers Leica a competitor; Leica's minuscule market share doesn't add up to a whole lot. I think Sony wants to take sales away from DSLRs and the other mirrorless system makers. Fuji's X line is distinct enough where the type of people who like the interface will stick with Fuji. The rest of the market is pretty much the same. There are no strong product differentiators, though there are a variety of superficial differences (excepting Canon trailing the pack in tactile interface design). Also, Sigma's got something brewing. There's a countdown on the site that claims to revolutionize photography. We'll see what that turns out to be. If Sigma can work out the battery issues and the general sluggishness of the DPM series, allow for interchangeable lenses (on par with their current DPM offerings), I think Sigma will indeed have quite an interesting product on hand. Whether this happens (or even feasible) remains to be seen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted July 31, 2013 Share #227 Posted July 31, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Steve Huff says the rumour is: This will be a full frame Sony camera, a NEX system camera. Larger than a NEX-7 but still the smallest full frame IC camera in the world Built in EVF Latest tech sensor which means INSANE quality in all situations 5 Axis IS from Olympus will be on the sensor (Leica lenses with that 5-AXis, WOW) Price for body? $2800. Lenses? $1200-$1500 E-Mount APS-C lenses will work in a crop mode At least TWO new fast Zeiss primes at launch August 2013 Announcement (which ties in with Sonys announcements last year) If Leica really has been working on such a camera (Andreas Kaufmann seems keen to suggest that they have lots of projects on the boil), why they don't release such a camera to steel a march on Sony, I don't know. Even if it's just a mock up, with an announcement that the camera will start shipping in March 2014 once the new factories are fully up and running, I really don't know. This should be squarely Leica territory. Cheers John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptZoom Posted July 31, 2013 Share #228 Posted July 31, 2013 Steve Huff says the rumour is: If Leica really has been working on such a camera (Andreas Kaufmann seems keen to suggest that they have lots of projects on the boil), why they don't release such a camera to steel a march on Sony, I don't know. Even if it's just a mock up, with an announcement that the camera will start shipping in March 2014 once the new factories are fully up and running, I really don't know. This should be squarely Leica territory. Cheers John I would love to see Leica take the lead in this market segment, but it doesn't seem like that's going to happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirke Posted August 1, 2013 Share #229 Posted August 1, 2013 if this Sony FF is true I am not sure at all to keep my M 240 , I'll keep the 35 and 50 Summilux and 90 Summicron with a ring, and get Zeiss AF lenses Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 1, 2013 Share #230 Posted August 1, 2013 I would caution against switching camera systems all the time. In my experience the best photography is done by photographers who have mastered their gear.Even within the Leica M series it has always taken me a few months to shoot a new body in. Like the M9 over the M8, and I am slowly getting to know the M right now. Getting used to a new concept will take considerably longer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirke Posted August 1, 2013 Share #231 Posted August 1, 2013 I would caution against switching camera systems all the time. In my experience the best photography is done by photographers who have mastered their gear.Even within the Leica M series it has always taken me a few months to shoot a new body in. Like the M9 over the M8, and I am slowly getting to know the M right now.Getting used to a new concept will take considerably longer. A Sony is very easy to use, I had and sold a NEX 6 This Sony FF is the camera I was waiting for , cheaper and better than the M 240 , with AF lenses , and body stabilization, and I can use my Summilux and Summicron lenses with a ring Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptZoom Posted August 1, 2013 Share #232 Posted August 1, 2013 A Sony is very easy to use, I had and sold a NEX 6 This Sony FF is the camera I was waiting for , cheaper and better than the M 240 , with AF lenses , and body stabilization, and I can use my Summilux and Summicron lenses with a ring I like you enthusiasm, however how's a camera that's yet to materialize "cheaper and better than the M240"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecaton Posted August 1, 2013 Share #233 Posted August 1, 2013 An then there is Ricoh/Pentax who have demonstrated that they can build a m-mount dedicated aps-c sensor camera with flawless performance. If they repeat this with a FF body..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macjonny1 Posted August 1, 2013 Share #234 Posted August 1, 2013 A Sony is very easy to use' date=' I had and sold a NEX 6 This Sony FF is the camera I was waiting for , cheaper and better than the M 240 , with AF lenses , and body stabilization, and I can use my Summilux and Summicron lenses with a ring[/quote'] Maybe a "better sensor" for whatever that means. What else will it be "better" at this camera that doesn't exist yet? Better rangefinder? If you don't need/want a rangefinder why shoot Leica? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirke Posted August 1, 2013 Share #235 Posted August 1, 2013 however how's a camera that's yet to materialize "cheaper and better than the M240"?it will not cost 6200€ and the Sony RX is one of the best camera Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirke Posted August 1, 2013 Share #236 Posted August 1, 2013 If you don't need/want a rangefinder why shoot Leica?because the M was the only mirrorless 24x36 AND the M lenses are very good, I have the M 240 since 5 months now and never use the rangefinder , I only use the EVF Now mirrorless FF are coming and the game is changing What else will it be "better" at this camera that doesn't exist yetSony sensor, body stabilization ... AF lensesand you cannot exactly say that it doesn't exist yet , the NEX line exists, the FF RX exist Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted August 1, 2013 Share #237 Posted August 1, 2013 if this Sony FF is true I am not sure at all to keep my M 240 , I'll keep the 35 and 50 Summilux and 90 Summicron with a ring, and get Zeiss AF lenses I can't wait to mount all of my Leica lenses on this new Sony "camera." Come on, keep your M range finder camera. It is the only current RF coupled camera to use your M lenses with. The M is simply the best direct integration of camera and M lens to your hand-mind. Sony may have the adapter for the M-mount, but they aren't ever going to have the RF... if, RF isn't important to you then, never mind... not sure why you are still here... maybe it's the peanuts? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptZoom Posted August 1, 2013 Share #238 Posted August 1, 2013 it will not cost 6200€ and the Sony RX is one of the best camera "The Sony RX is one of the best camera" for what type of photography? In any case, if you're not happy with your M240 you should sell it and purchase some thing better suited to your needs. I reserve making any judgement calls until after the Sony FF is released, put through its paces. Then I'll have to wait several more years for the lens catalogue to mature before deciding on committing to the system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirke Posted August 1, 2013 Share #239 Posted August 1, 2013 if, RF isn't important to your then, never mind... not sure why you are still here?Why worry about it? you like RF cameras ? I am happy for you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirke Posted August 1, 2013 Share #240 Posted August 1, 2013 In any case, if you're not happy with your M240 you should sell it and purchase some thing better suited to your needs.In any case I'll do what I want, thank you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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