The Sony A7 thread [Merged]

[Guest Gilgamesh]

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With this being a monster thread and more than one entry telling me they are taking delivery of their Sony XYZ in the week, I have had some issues separating the wheat from the chaff.

 

Three questions if I may; owning both Nikon G and Leica coded lenses, am I correct in saying that the 7R will in fact, one I master the awkward (?) menu, said 7R will be an able bodied 2nd body for both systems?

 

Is there one better manufacturer of adapters than any other, or are all much of a much-ness?

 

How do the images stack up, using Leica glass "v" the M240 files and using Nikon glass "v" the D800e files?

 

Thanks in anticipation.

[jaapv]

Where is that written? I could not find that.

 

EDIT: Ok, I saw your added link after I wrote my reply. So this means NO PHOTOS OF SONY A7® WITH ZEISS OR VOIGTLANDER LENSES HERE AS WELL.

 

Good luck with these rules and see you at FredMiranda, getDPI etc.!

 

 

 

As far as I know you from previous situations, that's your personal opinion. What counts for me is the vision of Andreas, the operator of this forum.

 

The rules are the vision of Andreas. If you do not like them, take it up with him. I do not make them, I only have to implement them..

[3D-Kraft.com]

Prerequisite for placing a photo is that it has been made with Leica equipment and/or has a strong relationship to a Leica subject.

 

Ok, no problem. Perhaps it may be allowed to show Leica gear photographed with a Sony and a Zeiss lens

 

Andreas posted this and it can't really be any clearer.

 

Yes, he posted that 2006 and some things have changed since then. Sorry about disturbing this exclusiveness.

[jaapv]

Only now, since you bounced a moderator into taking a needlessly authoritarian stance, people can't do whatever they like.

 

The sheer length of this thread on a Leica forum should be some indication of the relevance of this camera. If the topic was of no interest to you then why the need to intrude? I've got no affinity with the threads where people chat about trussing their cameras up in oddly fetishistic Italian leather outfits, but I wouldn't dream of crashing in and demanding that the discussion is moved to a leatherware forum.

 

Circling the wagons protectively around the Leica M isn't going to dampen people's interest in this quirky little Sony camera, it's just going to make them seek information elsewhere. And it's difficult to see how that will benefit the overall health and long-term future of the forum.

 

i don’t think anybody here dissed the merits of the camera. It is just that not everybody is whooping it up. Personally I probably will get one sometime next year as it does fill a hole in my lineup. However, I cannot conceive what reason that would be to post a breathless comment in this thread, with half the posts being supplied by only about a dozen posters.

[dwbell]

If you peep at 100%, you may be making making a false comparison.

 

Downsample to 18MP, and ta-da! Shake is gone. Great equalizer.

 

One cannot expect to peep a 36MP file at 100% and an 18 or 24MP file at 100% and see the same amount of camera shake. Physics is against you. If that's not the issue, it may be a matter of learning to hold a new camera in a stable way and gently release the shutter.

 

I wish people would 'get' this for once.

[jaapv]

Ok, no problem. Perhaps it may be allowed to show Leica gear photographed with a Sony and a Zeiss lens

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It does

[rosuna]

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I can see the great Tiepolo there... !

[CaptZoom]

...How do the images stack up, using Leica glass "v" the M240 files and using Nikon glass "v" the D800e files?

 

Thanks in anticipation.

 

It seems that the former question/comparison can be answered (with accompanying images), but the latter can not.

 

I suspect a case can be made to allow the latter as it does relate to Leica equipment in so far as comparing Leica equipment performance versus non-Leica equipment.

[Rick]

I am having all sorts of problems with the A7R. I am having problems getting consistent focus and missed focus. No, it is not a down sampling problem. That physics idea is just ridiculous. Images that are blurred are blurred no matter what the MP count.

 

I just don't get why I get great focus on some pictures and on a lot the focus is off. I am frustrated and beginning to think something else is going on... maybe the shutter is playing into it.

 

I am having across the whole image color problems. Very weird purple/magenta color modeling. I'm using LR. Is this something that will improve with newer versions of the developer?

 

All of my M-lenses except the WATE look not so good. Even my 50mm Summilux is just ok. My 90 Macro Elmar is stunningly fantastic, but the rest of my M-lenses below 50mm are just not what I am used to.

 

I am going to give more time. But, I'm generally disappointed. I'm also having problems getting consistent focus on my R-lenses(tele).

 

Color is meh. Not what can be worked with using the M240. A7R color is just ok so far with LR.

 

Mag focus is a pain. So slow. Focus peeking sparle is way to wide to give accurate focus. The double pump that is needed to activate focus mag is frustrating as well.

 

The shutter release is crappy. When on mag focus it is too easy to touch the shutter release and get premature cancellation of the mag focus. The shutter release speed is much faster than the M in LV, I believe.

 

More to come. Hoping the weather gives some relief so it isn't so cold and I can get out and shoot more.

[LUF Admin]

Can we please stop the open discussion here about which images are allowed?

The forum rules are very clear:

 

Prerequisite for placing a photo is that it has been made with Leica equipment and/or has a strong relationship to a Leica subject. For the avoidance of doubt, this includes the use of Leica lenses on third party bodies, Leica lenses on Leica partner cameras (e.g. Panasonic) and the use of third party lenses on Leica bodies. In general, photographs taken without the use of Leica equipment are not permitted.

 

Thank you

 

Andreas

[CaptZoom]

...Mag focus is a pain. So slow. Focus peeking sparle is way to[o] wide to give accurate focus. The double pump that is needed to activate focus mag is frustrating as well.

 

Could you say more about "Focus peeking sparle is way to[o] wide to give accurate focus". If I recall correctly, you either own or did own an RX1. Is the implementation of focus peaking different between the A7r and RX1?

[almoore]

i don’t think anybody here dissed the merits of the camera. It is just that not everybody is whooping it up...I cannot conceive what reason that would be to post a breathless comment in this thread

 

I have absolutely no idea what relevance this has to the post of mine you're replying to. I neither protested that the camera was being "dissed" or called for it be "whooped up", I simply commented that the thread was clearly of interest to Leica users and mused as to why somebody with apparently no interest felt the need to call for the thread to be curtailed.

 

The fact that I characterised the camera as "quirky" should go some way to clarifying that I don't see it as a flawless replacement for an M. One of those quirks (at least on the 7R) is a bizarrely long shutter action which to me is a much bigger issue than the (not particularly bad) noise. When I release the shutter I'm left with no awareness as to the point the image is captured - is at the beginning, the middle, the end? When people report sharpness issues at slower speeds I suspect that this long drawn out shutter action is a factor. Normally, we brace ourselves for that very brief moment of release, but with this camera that moment goes on much longer than we're accustomed to.

[dwbell]

I am having problems getting consistent focus and missed focus. No, it is not a down sampling problem. That physics idea is just ridiculous. Images that are blurred are blurred no matter what the MP count.

 

Can you elaborate Rick? Ignoring mirror slap or other physical contributing factors do you not think that smaller pixel pitches will show more movement? All my reading on the subject suggests otherwise but I'd be happy to learn something.

[almoore]

Can you elaborate Rick? Ignoring mirror slap or other physical contributing factors do you not think that smaller pixel pitches will show more movement

 

I'm not Rick, but he's talking about issues regarding accurate focus rather than movement blur. And you really don't need an enormous image file to establish whether or not focus is accurate.

[dwbell]

I'm not Rick, but he's talking about issues regarding accurate focus rather than movement blur. And you really don't need an enormous image file to establish whether or not focus is accurate.

 

Ok, I wasn't sure. As mis-focused images are often blurred where you wanted them to be sharp, and sharp where you didn't expect them to be. Where as "blurred are blurred no matter" would suggest all across the frame blur, which might suggest camera shake etc..

[almoore]

For what it's worth I'm finding that the Sony/Zeiss 35 is providing consistently accurate focus on the A7R. I've no real interest in how Leica or any other non-native lenses perform on the camera, so I haven't tried anything else yet.

[dwbell]

For what it's worth I'm finding that the Sony/Zeiss 35 is providing consistently accurate focus on the A7R. I've no real interest in how Leica or any other non-native lenses perform on the camera, so I haven't tried anything else yet.

 

Yes, me too. I found early on that the A7R and Sony FE 35 outperforms the 35 cron and M240 in terms of IQ. Since then I've had little interest in how it handles my M lenses too. I mash the "face/eye detect" focus button with shutter at 250 mostly and have not noticed, well, any blurred or mis focused images.

 

The real test if this method/system is for me will be when the 55 1.8 is delivered in Jan. If I can off centre eye detect focus at 1.8 and have as high a hit rate as with the 35 then it will replace my 50 lux. Focus recompose is just too hit and miss with the lux, and where to focus in the frame (basically, for my artistic tastes = anywhere but dead centre!) is more important to my images than any Leica magical dust. We'll see.

 

The more I shoot with the A7R, the more the M system feels like a well honed, expensive, well crafted iron sighted shotgun. (I've never shot in my life, so take it with more than a pinch). It's inaccurate framing, centred bullseye focus, snappy shutter and manual only directive (wonky auto ISO) is great for close quarters - dare I say - point and shoot. Better than the A7R at this by a long shot. But I don't shoot "street", so this doesn't really help me in my pursuit.

[jedi996sps]

Y Focus recompose is just too hit and miss with the lux, and where to focus in the frame (basically, for my artistic tastes = anywhere but dead centre!) is more important to my images than any Leica magical dust. We'll see.

 

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I used the off centre focus this morning and it is fabulous and i really would not like to be without it now . With this shot, the focus point was at 10 o'clock and outside the bullseye middle and with the f2.8 i'm not sure that at close distance centre focus and recompose would have worked and given me a wonderfully sharp image.

 

50lux iso 160 @ f2.8

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[jedi996sps]

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[Jaybob]

Only now, since you bounced a moderator into taking a needlessly authoritarian stance, people can't do whatever they like.

 

The sheer length of this thread on a Leica forum should be some indication of the relevance of this camera. If the topic was of no interest to you then why the need to intrude? I've got no affinity with the threads where people chat about trussing their cameras up in oddly fetishistic Italian leather outfits, but I wouldn't dream of crashing in and demanding that the discussion is moved to a leatherware forum.

 

Circling the wagons protectively around the Leica M isn't going to dampen people's interest in this quirky little Sony camera, it's just going to make them seek information elsewhere. And it's difficult to see how that will benefit the overall health and long-term future of the forum.

 

There are rules and there are "rules". The needless authoritarian stance that I dragged the moderator in on was about the "rules".

 

I've been posting in here for a long time, I shoot 85% of my work Sony adapted Leica, so this topic is of HUGE interest to me, please reread what I've posted.

 

Jay