algrove Posted October 24, 2013 Share #1501 Posted October 24, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Just checked the new Sony 24-70/4 AF EF lens dimensions and weight versus my R 35-70/4. The Sony seems about ½ " longer and ½" more in diameter than the R. Probably not bad considering AF device takes up some room in the diameter. The Sony will weigh about 4 ounces less than the Leica. On an a7R the R lens will need an adapter whereas the Sony will not. Apples and oranges maybe, but just thinking out loud. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 Hi algrove, Take a look here The Sony A7 thread [Merged]. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
k-hawinkler Posted October 24, 2013 Share #1502 Posted October 24, 2013 Voigtlander is releasing a newNEX to M adapter that allows for closer focusing than natively possible by M lenses. That seems similar to the Hawk's Factory adapter. More choices! Great! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted October 24, 2013 Share #1503 Posted October 24, 2013 Sorry but those pics are among the worst examples of over sharpening i've ever seen out of sans AA filter cameras so far. I assume that the JPG format and the +1 sharpening are the culprits but my interest for the little Sonys would stop immediately if what we see here were representative of their normal IQ in any way. YMMV. I suspect the oversharpening is due to jpg sharpening algorithms being unchanged between the A7 and A7R. Sony folks must have overlooked the fact that AA less cameras do not need sharpening while AA cameras require a lot of that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted October 24, 2013 Share #1504 Posted October 24, 2013 I suspect the oversharpening is due to jpg sharpening algorithms being unchanged between the A7 and A7R. Sony folks must have overlooked the fact that AA less cameras do not need sharpening while AA cameras require a lot of that. I would just turn off in-camera sharpening. That seems to work best for the E-M1 as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbell Posted October 24, 2013 Share #1505 Posted October 24, 2013 I would just turn off in-camera sharpening.That seems to work best for the E-M1 as well. It's so software / firmware dependent it's practically an irrelevance. I felt the same way about the M240 "colour drama" for reference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted October 24, 2013 Share #1506 Posted October 24, 2013 It's so software / firmware dependent it's practically an irrelevance.I felt the same way about the M240 "colour drama" for reference. Yup, also noise reduction that Olympus calls noise filter can cause a lot of artifacts at higher ISOs. Best to switch off in camera as well. I like to use Nik for that in post anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnwolf Posted October 24, 2013 Share #1507 Posted October 24, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Yes, I think it will be a fantastic lens and I guess it will be 'better' (more uniformly sharp and with much less distortion) than my 35 Summilux FLE. Frankly, the Sony A7r and this lens tempts me greatly as a replacement for my default camera kit (M9P or MM +35 FLE) – it makes obvious financial sense, it looks the perfect size body and I suspect the Sony+35 will provide superior colour results to what I'm used to – but I imagine that I will find the overall package less satisfactory to use than my Leica M system. I've used virtually no other camera system for the last ten years or so and I just know that I will positively hate using an EVF (however state-of-the-art it is) nor will I appreciate the lack of direct manual controls for shutter speed and aperture. That's very well stated, Ian, and gets to the heart of the matter: results vs. user experience. For financial reasons I switched from an M9 to a Nex 7. While the latter is an excellent camera, the pleasure of ownership and use is weak. Some say cameras are only tools and it's all about results, but I sure don't buy it. Maybe the new Sonys will advance the user experience, but I doubt it. Incidentally, I've regained some of that lost mojo with a Ricoh GR. It's no M, but what a treat. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted October 24, 2013 Share #1508 Posted October 24, 2013 @ wattsy Remember one can program any number of buttons so those basic controls you desire could be at the touch of a finger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedi996sps Posted October 24, 2013 Share #1509 Posted October 24, 2013 Sorry but those pics are among the worst examples of over sharpening i've ever seen out of sans AA filter cameras so far. I assume that the JPG format and the +1 sharpening are the culprits but my interest for the little Sonys would stop immediately if what we see here were representative of their normal IQ in any way. YMMV. I found this link, which is about 8hrs old and shows the same sample images from both A7 and A7r. Interestingly, they do not have the sharpening evident in the bearded lady :D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedi996sps Posted October 24, 2013 Share #1510 Posted October 24, 2013 I found this link, which is about 8hrs old and shows the same sample images from both A7 and A7r. Interestingly, they do not have the sharpening evident in the bearded lady :D Sample Images From The Sony Alpha A7 & A7R | Lowyat.NET Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted October 24, 2013 Share #1511 Posted October 24, 2013 It needs to be sharper. It's not sharp enough. I want my images razor sharp. Wait................. It's too sharp. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozkar Posted October 24, 2013 Share #1512 Posted October 24, 2013 EOS HD has just compared the A7 and A7R for video performance. If video is important to you, the A7R is the best choice. As I expected, the A7 has a rehashed RX1/A99 sensor and performs about the same with a general lack of sharpness, false colour, heavy aliasing and moire. New Sony A7, A7R and RX10 - exclusive hands-on look at video quality » EOSHD.com Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Chen Posted October 24, 2013 Share #1513 Posted October 24, 2013 EOS HD has just compared the A7 and A7R for video performance. If video is important to you, the A7R is the best choice. The video otput via HDMI cable from A7/A7R features an x.v. color space ( 1.8 times coverage of sRGB color space) and be compatible with SONY 4K2K Ultra HD TV Triluminos display's wide color gamut. A big plus for video presentaion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted October 25, 2013 Share #1514 Posted October 25, 2013 @ wattsy Remember one can program any number of buttons so those basic controls you desire could be at the touch of a finger. True but that is essentially manual control by proxy (moving a dial changes a value on a screen) and, whilst perfectly usable, is not the same as direct manual control (moving the actual values printed on a clickable dial). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
almoore Posted October 25, 2013 Share #1515 Posted October 25, 2013 True but that is essentially manual control by proxy (moving a dial changes a value on a screen) and, whilst perfectly usable, is not the same as direct manual control (moving the actual values printed on a clickable dial). Have you ever used an EOS? I find the finger/thumb control of shutter/aperture (or the other way round if you prefer) the fastest and most intuitive way of working in manual there is. I'm guessing the Sony will be very similar when set up appropriately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted October 25, 2013 Share #1516 Posted October 25, 2013 Have you ever used an EOS? I find the finger/thumb control of shutter/aperture (or the other way round if you prefer) the fastest and most intuitive way of working in manual there is. Yes, I had a Canon 5D for a number of years as part of a small 'secondary' system and exposed it manually but never really got used to changing the aperture and shutter speed this way. I've no doubt I probably didn't use it enough for it to become second nature but I found, particularly when the pressure is on, I was sometimes twiddling the wrong control and found myself changing the aperture value when I meant to change the shutter speed (and vice versa). Even when using the correct control I feel there is a kind of mental 'disconnect' between the action of moving a wheel and the numbers changing on the LCD display which for me requires a tiny bit more thinking time but, again, this is probably because I just haven't used the system sufficiently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
almoore Posted October 25, 2013 Share #1517 Posted October 25, 2013 Yes, I had a Canon 5D for a number of years as part of a small 'secondary' system and exposed it manually but never really got used to changing the aperture and shutter speed this way... I guess we're all wired slightly differently. What I like about the finger/thumb thing is that it feels natural to be simultaneously shifting shutter and aperture with the same hand. You'll probably like the Sony even less than the Canon because I don't believe it has the constant shutter/aperture visual reference on the small top plate LCD display. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
onceuponatime Posted October 25, 2013 Share #1518 Posted October 25, 2013 I guess it will be 'better' (more uniformly sharp and with much less distortion) than my 35 Summilux FLE. Frankly, the Sony A7r and this lens tempts me greatly as a replacement for my default camera kit (M9P or MM +35 FLE) – it makes obvious financial sense, it looks the perfect size body and I suspect the Sony+35 will provide superior colour results to what I'm used to – but I imagine that I will find the overall package less satisfactory to use than my Leica M system. Indeed. There are two major types of photogrpahers : those for whom technical capability is always first : big Canon Nikon dslrs are for them as well as A7; those for whom emotions are always first : M, Digilux2, EP1, X100, Xpro Xe are for them. Sony should have realised this and designed the A7r accordingly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
almoore Posted October 25, 2013 Share #1519 Posted October 25, 2013 I There are two major types of photogrpahers : those for whom technical capability is always first : big Canon Nikon dslrs are for them as well as A7; those for whom emotions are always first : M, Digilux2, EP1, X100, Xpro Xe... What utter bollocks. Unless you believe that an overweight dentist with a Leica is inherently more emotional and sensitive than, say, Gilles Peress when he has an EOS to his eye. This is Leica forum conceit at its worst. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbell Posted October 25, 2013 Share #1520 Posted October 25, 2013 I feel ostracized, insecure, lacking grounding! I don't fit into one of The Two Types! I have cameras from both lists! It's just that, oh my, it's just that for me it's about the final image. Oh my goodness, what will happen to me now? I said it out loud - I've outed myself! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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