The Sony A7 thread [Merged]

[Ozkar]

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Lets be real: For the money a X Vario with external EVF costs one can buy the RX10 plus the FF A7 with 28-70mm kit zoom (yes, no kidding). So yes the RX10 has a smaller sensor than the XV, but there is no comparison between the outstanding FF 24MP sensor of the A7 and the "me too" 16MP Sony sensor in the XV. Any questions left?

 

These economics will not hold for long. Leica is sitting on a small mountain of XV's. Dealers are not selling through stock. Now, with the new A7 in the picture, Leica may need to reduce the price by some 40-50% to make it luke-warm attractive.

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[MarkP]

Few here have the creative photographic skills to warrant high end cameras .............. but it does make for happy snappers

 

I think many here have outstanding creative photographic skills.

I would have said that many or most of us here are unlikely fully utilise the potential of the Leica equipment we already have.

[algrove]

There was a video someone pointed us to where the guy shot the new a7R Sony in the woods with his associate used the a& to video the entire shoot and he felt the noise was a breaker for street work. Guess this is the opposite of the RX-1 which needs one looking at the iris to see if a photo is taken.

[MarkP]

Where is Olaf when you need him?

 

Maybe he's out taking photographs.

[NJH]

And yet many thousands of photographers all over the world using cameras with APS-C or m4/3 sensors with higher pixel density manage to get sharp shots. It seems to me the oft reported issues with the D800 are much more about peculiarities of that camera, its shutter/mirror assembly, focusing and the lenses used.

[k-hawinkler]

Over at Fredmiranda.com we are also discussing the issues of the new Sony A7 and A7r cameras. Part of the discussion in the following thread regards the WA M and other RF lenses:

 

A7/A7r - performance with WA RF lenses - FM Forums

 

From here down we were discussing the WA M and RF lenses on the cameras. It was mentioned that Sony has or is in the works that there will be programmable lens corrections available. This is on the Sony website.

 

A7/A7r - performance with WA RF lenses - FM Forums

 

Below is the link to what is coming soon from Sony for the lens corrections in the same thread:

 

A7/A7r - performance with WA RF lenses - FM Forums

 

This may help us deal with issues when using at least some of the WA M lenses on these cameras.

 

Rich

 

 

Many thanks Rich.

That's a fabulous discussion going on over there.

If Paul Habsch of Phigmenttech can get his adapter to work with the A7/R that would be phenomenal.

I trust it's only a question of time.

[iforum]

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Crikey!

 

That really adds to the discussion in a positive way.

 

 

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Maybe the negative is that too many here try to get the camera right and forget to the image making aspect There is no great change in the visual aspects of images posted from 5 years ago .............cameras have changed but skills seem to be same.

My brother in laws two of whom are doctors spend a lot of time improving their skills very little is devoted to the latest gadgets

outstanding

now that must be the new word for good

[k-hawinkler]

My D800E works fine now after a trip to Nikon.

Used correctly, 36 MP give stunning detail.

[AlanG]

When it comes to camera shake, if you keep the amount of shake constant, the only real factor is the overall magnification in the end product... whether this is due to higher resolution or longer lenses. I don't see how pixel density has anything to do with it since it is the total number of pixels at 100% that we are dealing with.

 

Of course greater pixel density in a given size sensor will allow for higher magnification with a given focal length... assuming the lens quality is not limiting this.

[AlanG]

These economics will not hold for long. Leica is sitting on a small mountain of XV's.

 

If true, it would be quite a condemnation of their organizational skills if they made a whole lot of cameras they can't sell while there are all kinds of other items in demand that are on backorder.

[iforum]

These economics will not hold for long. Leica is sitting on a small mountain of XV's. Dealers are not selling through stock. Now, with the new A7 in the picture, Leica may need to reduce the price by some 40-50% to make it luke-warm attractive.

Seeing that the problems are not only in regards to the price why would it make it a better camera if discounted by 40-50%?

[MarkP]

Maybe the negative is that too many here try to get the camera right and forget to the image making aspect There is no great change in the visual aspects of images posted from 5 years ago .............cameras have changed but skills seem to be same.

My brother in laws two of whom are doctors spend a lot of time improving their skills very little is devoted to the latest gadgets

now that must be the new word for good

 

 

Well I'm a doctor too (I guess thats how I can afford my Leicas because AO don't think I could make a living out of my photography) and I spend a lot or time on my actual photography ( and pp/ printing skills),

 

I do agree with you that these discussion have little to do with the art of photography.

 

Ps. I do know the difference between the meaning of good and outstanding.

[AlanG]

As shown, the Play Memory Apps feature will allow for all kinds of customization even if the basic firmware stays the same..

 

As for the sensor and software's ability to deal with corner color shift and vignetting, it is great that it may benefit M type w/a lenses. But surely Sony is thinking down the line that if they can get all of this working well it will open up the possibility for some new, likely smaller, lens designs made by Zeiss/Sony for this system.

 

Also keep in mind that this is the first generation of this new system. Consider that the sensors may get much better in the future and have such high resolution that using smaller APS format lenses and cropping will be as good as FF shots using this 36MP FF sensor is today.

[leicatraveller]

No interest whatever. Any resolution over 18 Mp will give you prints the size of the Empire State building.

 

well i dont agree, maybe at 100 iso prints will look "almost" the same at 18-24-36mp

 

but a 36mp sensor will record many details also at 3200 -6400 iso, so finally you will be able to print large also at high iso

 

and leicas are used by street photographers, not nature photographer with tripods, so high iso big prints are welcome

[AlanG]

Seeing that the problems are not only in regards to the price why would it make it a better camera if discounted by 40-50%?

 

It wouldn't but the rationale would be that some buyers will snap up a "Leica" if they can get it at the right price.

[iforum]

There is very little talk on how to apply all this new gear to producing better images, the photo forum is a poor cousin

[Ozkar]

There was a video someone pointed us to where the guy shot the new a7R Sony in the woods with his associate used the a& to video the entire shoot and he felt the noise was a breaker for street work. Guess this is the opposite of the RX-1 which needs one looking at the iris to see if a photo is taken.

 

That 'test in the woods' without reference to another camera for a benchmark is meaningless. Steve Huff confirmed that the shutter in the A7R is no louder than the shutter in the M240. If you must have a silent camera, buy one with a leaf shutter.

[jdlaing]

That 'test in the woods' without reference to another camera for a benchmark is meaningless. Steve Huff confirmed that the shutter in the A7R is no louder than the shutter in the M240. If you must have a silent camera, buy one with a leaf shutter.

 

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[jgmb]

Since no one else has stepped forward yet, I thought I would start this thread to discuss using R lenses on the new Sony A7 cameras. All the other internet forums and blogs are primarily absorbed with the potential of using M lenses with this new camera. But with its high-quality built-in EVF the A7 also appears to be an ideal FF digital solution for our orphaned R lenses, and what better place to explore that viability than this sub-forum.

 

So I look forward to sharing thoughts on the following questions:

 

• How many of you R owners have preordered the A7r or are considering it?

 

• Will wide-angle R lenses avoid the issues inherent with the M designs?

 

• Are there any legacy R lenses that might prove unsuitable for the extreme resolution of the 36 MP A7r without AA filter? I have older R lenses that I hope to use on this camera.

 

• Which would be the best R to E adaptors to use?

[TomB_tx]

I ordered an A7 the morning it was announced. I feel 24MP is more practical for my work. I also think it may be a better R solution than the M, at least for me. R wide angles should be fine without edge effects. My R lenses are also older, and I bet the 24mm will be fine on the A7. I've already bought 6 cheap adapters for the various 70s era lenses in my collection. The lenses seem to fit tightly, but the release buttons are a bit sticky; but without seeing how the A7 works with the various lenses I couldn't see going high-end. Hopefully I'll get to find out in December.