wlaidlaw Posted July 29, 2013 Share #81 Posted July 29, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Looks interesting I found the lollipop hereEyelead sensor cleaning kit SCK-1 which is I suppose is a bit like the Dust-Aid Platinum. You mentioned that uses some of their other products, which ones? Thanks David, It is not at all like the Dust Aid. There is no sticky paper sponge sandwich which can separate and ruin your sensor or shutter. Jaap had his ruined and I had a lucky escape when the pad separated on peeling off the backing sheet and not on the sensor. The Eyelead is a solid plastic tacky lump which cannot separate. You then use even stickier paper to lift the crud off the sticky plastic. It seems to work very well. The sticky paper is very expensive. I am tempted to use the sticky paper which comes in rolls to act as fluff lifters for clothing. It seems identical to the paper for the Eyelead and is a fraction of the price. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted July 29, 2013 Posted July 29, 2013 Hi wlaidlaw, Take a look here Leica M 240 what is going on. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
jaapv Posted July 29, 2013 Share #82 Posted July 29, 2013 Looks interesting I found the lollipop hereEyelead sensor cleaning kit SCK-1 which is I suppose is a bit like the Dust-Aid Platinum. You mentioned that uses some of their other products, which ones? Thanks They have a very well built bulb blower with incorporated dust filter. I haven't tried their wet cleaning products yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted July 29, 2013 Share #83 Posted July 29, 2013 You bought the camera in Hong Kong? It's probably been picked up more than a Wan Chai hostess. No wonder the sensor is covered in dust. Don't blame Leica for something that isn't their fault. If you don't like cleaning your sensor then the M240 and every other Leica digital M is probably not for you. Stephen, every time you post you give me another insight into HK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Black Posted July 29, 2013 Share #84 Posted July 29, 2013 I'm also with cars as a hobby. “Refuse this Leica product if seal is broken.” Just like Kosher food on airplanes.... It would protect the buyer, so i agree on that one.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
viramati Posted July 29, 2013 Share #85 Posted July 29, 2013 They have a very well built bulb blower with incorporated dust filter. I haven't tried their wet cleaning products yet. I see they have various models of blower. Which one did you get? Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted July 29, 2013 Share #86 Posted July 29, 2013 I see they have various models of blower. Which one did you get? Thanks David, Can I recommend against the one I have, the Koh Hepajet II filtered blower. The bulb is so stiff, it is difficult to get any decent puff out of it. It was better here today in France, where the temperature is 34º but in the winter in the UK, it was like a mosquito farting. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 29, 2013 Share #87 Posted July 29, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) I see they have various models of blower. Which one did you get? Thanks Airblower S It was in the premium set. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoskeptic Posted July 30, 2013 Share #88 Posted July 30, 2013 David, FYI, I have used a small computer vacuum cleaner to clean out the sensor cavity at times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDP Posted July 30, 2013 Share #89 Posted July 30, 2013 There was a rumour going round that Leica no longer recommends Eclipse, possibly due to white deposits being left on the sensor. I still have half a large bottle of E2, bought when that was what Leica recommended. E2 and E1 have now been replaced just by Eclipse E I believe. However, having had sensors replaced on my M8 and M9, not due I would add to cleaning issues, I am now sensitive about what liquid to use on my swabs. I therefore bought a tiny bottle of Visible Dust "Smear Away," which from the price must be distilled from platinum, frankincense and myrrh. Others have suggested using high purity Iso Propyl alcohol, which if correct is a very cheap option. I have a half litre can of this stuff, which I use for multiple cleaning purposes, e.g. getting grease off my Arctic Butterfly sensor brush. Does anyone know if there is an official Leica line on what liquid to use for wet cleans? Wilson It would appear I've given some duff advice, apologies. Any suggestions regarding what to use for a wet clean? I tried the visible dust products but found they took so long to evaporate that I ended up with more dust on the sensor than before the clean. I live in India, so it is kind of mandatory to be able to clean my own sensors when required as it is something just not a service easily available over here. Any suggestions very much appreciated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 30, 2013 Share #90 Posted July 30, 2013 In that case you are using FAR too much liquid. Two or three small drops suffice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDP Posted July 30, 2013 Share #91 Posted July 30, 2013 In that case you are using FAR too much liquid. Two or three small drops suffice. Yes, you may well be right, I probably use double that. Any advice on the recommended solution to use? Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 30, 2013 Share #92 Posted July 30, 2013 For general cleaning most solutions work just fine, I like Dust-Aid UltraClean. For greasy spots SmearAway is excellent. Or use IPA 99.9%. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted July 30, 2013 Share #93 Posted July 30, 2013 I would echo what Jaap says. Visible Dust Smear Away. This makes a very good combination with the Eyelead sticky lollipop, as that does not deal well with greasy spots. I now normally wet clean with VDSA two or three drops and shake off any excess, then Eyelead and finally a quick brush over with an Arctic Butterfly. You will still probably see 3 or 4 spots with the dust detector as it is very very sensitive and I suspect the sensor acts like a dust Hoover to the back of the lens when you mount it. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDP Posted July 30, 2013 Share #94 Posted July 30, 2013 Many thanks for the advice, I shall give the smear away a try and see how I go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunil Posted July 30, 2013 Share #95 Posted July 30, 2013 You bought the camera in Hong Kong? It's probably been picked up more than a Wan Chai hostess. No wonder the sensor is covered in dust. Don't blame Leica for something that isn't their fault. If you don't like cleaning your sensor then the M240 and every other Leica digital M is probably not for you. The guy bought a brand new ultra expensive camera where the sensor was covered by dust. And you think that is perfectly appropriate? Next time you buy a new car, perhaps you won't complain if it is covered in dust when you pick it up. After all, you could wash it yourself. I have used Leicas for well over 20 years but I'll be damned if I'm going to be an apologist for them. Their QC is heading downhill and there is nothing in the fine print that states a user should clean the sensor upon buying a new camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunil Posted July 30, 2013 Share #96 Posted July 30, 2013 It is against my will to wash my car - I will return it to the dealer... When was the last time you picked up a new car at a dealer and it was covered in dust? Is that fine by you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 30, 2013 Share #97 Posted July 30, 2013 In fact the factory delivers the car to the dealership dirty and covered in plastic sticky sheets, the dealer will clean it and charge for it. So if your analogy holds true the Leica dealer where the OP bought his M should have cleaned the sensor and charged him 100$ delivery costs.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJB Posted July 31, 2013 Share #98 Posted July 31, 2013 Please. can we stop the facile car analogies? Dust on a new car is cosmetic. No effect on function. Rectification requires little expertise. Dust on a new camera sensor materially impairs functionality of the tool. Rectification requires knowledge, special equipment, skill and some risk. If Leica have a problem with dusty sensors, we (and Leica) are better off knowing about it. If the OP is either exaggerating or unique in his problem (neither of which has been proven), then this is a non issue. OP knows his choices: do nothing, return to dealer for repair or refund, return to Solms for repair or replacement. That's it. The end Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted July 31, 2013 Share #99 Posted July 31, 2013 There's one option you've not included: clean the sensor himself and avoid a period without the use of his camera. Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 31, 2013 Share #100 Posted July 31, 2013 If Leica have a problem with dusty sensors, we (and Leica) are better off knowing about it. DSLRs have a problem with dust on their sensors, mirrorless exchangeable lens cameras have a more pronounced problem with dust on their sensors, some brands have a dust reduction system which is about as effective as a blower bulb. So, is you don't want dust, learn to clean your sensor, or get somebody to do it for you, or buy a fixed-lens camera. Basically the only alternative is to use film. And deal with dust in the darkroom and learn to retouch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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